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That's okay. We get in Sat afternoon, leave after the game Sunday. It's my wife, my buddy and me, and all me need is a pub menu, TVs and some activity. Bills fans are a plus. Sounds like Christians will do the trick. We aren't late hitters, so we don't need a list! We just need burgers, beer and bathrooms!

Thanks. That's helpful. We're staying at the Marriott Courtyard near the stadium

That sounds great! I'll be there, and at the game. Which Christians is it? 2000 Bagby?

I agree with most everyone here. It's a fairly standard tactic. And, as others have said, Hughes has the physical tools to do it. He didn't quite make it as a 3-4 OLB, but he was close. On the play where a ball was completed on him, he was in surprisingly good position.

Guys taken in the top 10 tend to work out about 1 in 3 times, I'd say. Guys taken in the top 10 are not considered projects by their teams. A project is someone with a low probability of success, taken late in the first or later. Projects have aspects of their game that need serious work in order for them to succeed. Darnold, Mayfield, Allen and Rosen are not projects. They may be disappointments, but they aren't projects.

Nice, thanks.

I agree, except I doubt he will be out of the league. I agree about accuracy. He's thrown to many good balls to have done it by accident. He does have to be more consistent. I also think he sees the field very well. He's shown that. The problem is that he doesn't always know what he's looking st. That is, when he gets defensive look that he's familiar with, he is fine. Its when he's unfamiliar that he's in trouble. That's study and experience.

I agree. First step, which I really like, is bringing in a vet QB. Allen will learn on field stuff faster.

Logiic - Thanks for coming here to post. I get a lot out of your thoughts. Edmunds - thanks for this stuff. I don't seem to see him in pass coverage, only on runs. This video is fabulous. It's incredible, really, to watch a guy his size run like that. Plugging the deep middle like that in the Tampa 2 is an incredible asset to have. I also agree that there's a lot to learn at his position. It's probably the second most challenging position, mentally, behind QB. Safeties have a lot to think about, but they can see everything in front of them. MLB is right in the middle, and it's a challenge. I worry that he isn't a natural hitter. He's more like an over-sized safety. He'll get bigger and stronger, but he looks more like an arm tackler. For me, then, his ceiling will be determined by what he can do in the run game. He should, and this video shows it, be a real factor in the passing game. (By the way, blitzing is something of an art form, too, and he still has that to learn). What do I see in Allen. First, the arm, and not simply the strength but the accuracy. As I said in one of my earlier posts, I think his throw on the INT is telling. We've seen him throw that deep (15-18 yard) in cut several times, and it's a thing of beauty. His arm strength allows him to throw it into tight windows. He's been very accurate throwing it. It's a pass you see the best QBs throw. It's a natural for him. Also, we saw in pre season but haven't seen much since then of his 7-10 out patterns. Same thing - arm strength and accurate make him deadly on that throw. Those two throws can be his bread and butter for ten years. I like his size. He seems to almost ignore incidental contact in the pocket, much like Big Ben. He doesn't overreact to getting touched. He just stands there, or slides a bit. He also seems to have pretty good pocket awareness. He doesn't have happy feet, he isn't anxious to run, but he seems to know pretty well already when it's time to go. What he still needs to learn is WHERE to go, because sometimes he runs into sacks when he could have escaped. But for a rookie he's comfortable in the pocket and he escapes pretty well. His mobility is critical. Daboll isn't afraid to roll him out, because he moves so effortlessly. He makes decisions and has a quick release. He's not seeing everything yet, but when he sees what he's looking for, he gets the ball out. He anticipates guys being open and throws. Taylor's biggest flaw, in my mind, was waiting until he saw the guy open. All of his non-physical characteristics are there. He's a competitor, he doesn't seem to get upset after a bad play, he's vocal with his teammates, he had a high Wonderlic, he seems to work and want to learn. I think he's the whole package. Obviously, he isn't a finished product, but I expect he'll learn. Some people continue to comment about his footwork and his base and other mechanical things. First, I think there are a lot more self-proclaimed experts on a subject like that than real experts, but even if that's a flaw, it's the kind of thing that's correctable. Practicing and correcting footwork is much easier than correcting torso turn, shoulder turn, release point, etc. Favre had notoriously bad footwork and worked on it his entire career. I think it's kind of amazing for the Bills to have extraordinary rookies, physically, at offensive QB and defensive QB. If they grow to their potential, everyone in the league will look back at this draft and say it was one of the great team-building drafts of all time. And if they grow to their potential and Phillips becomes Kyle II, McBeane will be proclaimed geniuses.

One reason I like Allen is that, unlike Newton, I think he's coachable. I think his ceiling is higher than Newton's. Again, I think we're seeing game to game progress, and in the second half of the season he's going to be carrying the team and held back by his receivers. We're seeing some of that already. Also, I think Ray-Ray and Zay will emerge as his two favorite receivers.

It may have been a makeup call, but I think it was one of those cLls about unnecessary roughness away from the ball. The play had gone to the other side of the field, so the official thought Dawk didn't need to give the extra shove. But Dawk had no way of knowing that the play wasn't coming back, because his back was turned. Like I said, things to work on. But he is a keeper. Like, for example, he has more promise than Cutler had. More than Brees in his first year. He has great potential and hasn't shown major flaws.

That's fair. But I think he is closer than you think. I see him having little thi.gs ro work on, not big problems to correct. So true. All close games are fragile. That's part of what makes winning them so great for fans. It feels great to place the 52nd piece on a house of cards.

Thanks. I've seen the run fit problems but have missed the sideline to sideline stuff. I'm glad he's already a problem for teams there. Second half of this season Bills will be giving people fits with Allen and Edmunds.

I don't get fans. I'm all about the games. If someone asks me of all the kinds of Bills games I can go to, out of wins, losses, blowout wins, blowout lossess, last minute wins, last minute losses, etc., last minute wins is way up there. Games where my team doesn't make a lot of mistakes are up there. Games where they get a lot of takeaways are up there. Sunday was one of those games. A lot of fans, like you, are evaluating the quality of the entertainment, or what it says about the future or something else. I went to the game and saw my team do a lot of good things and drive for the winning score. I saw two of my guys, the running backs, grind it out. I loved it. Allen? I'm convinced Allen will be great. I'm happy when I see evidence of it. Like the INT throw. Man, what a throw! Right read, beautiful throw. It was a sign of things to come. I liked how Allen delivered the ball on the last two passes. I liked how composed he was. I don't need Allen to be a finished product this month. Darnold isnt. Mayfield isn't. Sure, I see things that need to get better. That goes without saying. But I'm not seeing any horridle problems. Bottom line, I'm an old-time fan. I love to watch my team win. It was outstanding.

Every few weeks I wonder why I'm driving from New England to Buffalo for a game. Every Sunday night driving home after a win I know why.

Steve Thanks for this. I had several of the same reactions. After the TD in as sure the Bulls were on their way. So WAS the flubbed field goal a fake? When it happened it looked to me like a fake. Something wasn't right about it. I watched the kickers during half time too. BJ was hurting. I kept saying he should go to locker room and get a pain shot. Those guys are tough.

I will be amazed if you don't see at QB and at MLB. No better way to learn. Allen will have some big games this year. May not attempt 40 passes, but he will have some high rating games.

I've been wondering whether his biggest effect is that we aren't seeing him. We saw him all day against the Chargers, because Rivers threw to whoever was being covered by Edmunds. That hasn't been happening the last couple of weeks.

I was going to complain about Edmunds again this week, but I decided I hadn't watched him enough. Every time I saw him he was standing next to the pile. I've seen some comments that he caused one or both fumbles and was good against the pass. What did you see?

As an entertainment, you're right, it wasn't outstanding. But I'm not a movie reviewer, I'm a football fan. When my team wins, I'm happy. When they play relatively mistake-free football and win on the last play, it's outstanding.

Did you watch the McD's locker room speech? You don't think that team thought the win was outstanding? Did you miss Allen's winning field goal drive? Did you miss Allen's TD run? He made the plays he needed to make to win the game.

It's what I realized after the game and said in my write up. Young QBs need playing time. They need to be on the field, calling plays, looking over defenses, making changes at the line, managing the whole game. They need to log hours of playing time. What's better than logging those with a run-oriented offense that wins game? Minimize rookie QB mistakes, get rookie QB experience, win games. Can't win a Super Bowl like that, but you can get your QB ready to win one.

I don't know. Maybe undecided.

His time may be winding down, but his play hasn't. He's as dangerous as he was 5 years ago. He had a half dozen carries yesterday where he ALMOST slipped through - those were plays that went for 3 that were THIS close to going 15 to 50. As quick and shifty as he is, what I like best about him is he REALLY wants it. Like the play you're talking about. He doesn't have Marshawn Lynch's power and balance, but he has Lynch's heart. He's underrated around the league.

One play they had McCoy, Ivory and DiMarco. Defend that!