Buffarukus

awww what a milktoast answer. no fence sitting. choose a side and reason why.

that does not prevent the spread, correct? maybe the chances are lowered. in that regard i guess you have a point as lower is better then not but it is no way safe. my question is why is there no info presented on natural immunity. i have to go to "fringe" sources and by all accounts they are projecting at least 5 years of protection. are they also reduced viral loads. if so why are they not discluded from the people that are "unvaccinated" ? how many people are in this group and at this point what is the percentage of vax/natural really seeing as many might be asymptomatic? are we talking about a fraction of society at this point that are truley being "selfish"? i do not know if i had asymptomatic covid. if i got covid i would trust my immunity and not gotten vaxed. i would be excluded from the many mandates on travel and going out and maybe forced to leave my job....and many would cheer that on. that's where our society is and it saddens me.

i wasn't specifically talking about kneeling or protesting of flag. im talking about how it is viewed. one side sees that symbol and does not think it stands for this country or our freedom. it stands for a corrupt racist system that must be dismantled from the ground up. now those are the most extreme views that i appreciate you noticing and not wanting to be a part of but they have been echoed on major cable news stations without much pushback from their own side. there are many examples i thought that was the most basic straight forward one. as for your vaccine position you state. "But you should want to in order to help your neighbor, to help the kids who can’t be, because in a public health crisis we are in this together" this is a false narrative. vaccines DO NOT help those that cannot be vaccinated. it only prevents severe symptom. you can still contract and transmit. so if you are vaccinated it is still advised you act as if you are not which is why they are reinstating masks for all. one could argue they do more damage as they would give someone the false knowledge, that you seem to also, and go around vulnerable people without precautions thinking you are no longer a threat. we have to make that distinction clear. a valid argument is that society should be thinking about our healthcare workers. seeing as many who have dealt with this for over a year are being fired for not wanting to be vaccinated, it is not as cut and dry as it appears as well.

so if a secession took place, clean right down the middle and you had to make a choice, which side would you go? id choose freedom over safety. the census seems to suggest that americans feel the same.

i wrote this awhile ago. this is not directed at the op but seems relevant when speaking about how this country values has changed. strangely it included age. username had nothing to do with it...i swear. are you old enough to remember when free speech was defended regardless if it was agreed with? when giant monopolies working hand and hand with government was a bad thing? when the goal was to judge others on the content of their character not color of skin was the accepted achievement for EVERYONE? when people knew this country was not perfect but had pride that it is still the greatest on the planet? when police were respected for putting their lives on the line knowing full well as in any profession reforms are always needed and bad people are in the fold? when every sitting president before the current one stressed strict border security because we agreed it is necessary? when people would never cheer on the government to arbitrarily take away others basic right to earn a living, patronize or run a buisness? when parts of our nation being openly destroyed by criminals were universally condemned instead of portraying the ones committing the crimes as the "victims" and allowing it to happen? when the same people demanding that black lives matter do not demand justice or air time when black victims including children are routinely ignored if the perpetrators are not of a different race?

sorry to interject but your exhibiting alot of bias right here. after all that's been hindsighted i think it would be in your best interest to stop thinking alternative information is "right wing fringe" maybe its you that looks for things that confirm your bias. many examples but did you think lab leak was "right wing fringe" until the non fringe said it was ok, you may now consider it, be honest. maybe you should read some of his posts with a clear open mind and consider just because its not echoing through the news cycle it is not true. the media is supposed to be a watch dog for the people. right now right wing fringe is the only thing holding this administration accountable and id expect the reverse when a republican is president. what you dont see is most news is left. its why hunters NEW labtop made zero news. Afghanistan is unavoidable cluster f. probly why it has hit you so hard. its a story that has no choice but to be presented honestly and honesty is how we come together. blatant hipocracy? to say that somehow at this point and time one side is not more adhered to spiting on anything resembling traditional american values is something. yet you sure seem to emphasize the right as the ones in the op. yes you included both but there is a slant. example, americans should care more about there country then themselves. ie mask and vax. heres a reverse way to look at the same subject. this country was founded on personal freedoms and liberty. you vax great! you can buy a n95 great! you want to stay in and avoid it all? great! notice how that stance does not include force, no mention of discluding you from anything? no mention of anything being your fault. making you the enemy. strange how it aligns more with what you want. a unified america. thats a recurring theme if you look at it from "right wing" perspectives aka traditional Democrat positions. ill make this as simple as possible. the american flag is seen as a racist symbol of hate by some. loving THE symbol that stands for this country is a basic start to what you say is lost yet, that seems to be the side you lean? they will. after they play a different national anthem that is meant for other americans that divides countrymen and women into groups.

the only hope is that people take a clear honest look at what is being shoveled as propaganda and what is being covered up. many are to lazy to dig in deeper to seek truth. they briefly scan their preferred media outlets big bold headlines and move on as being "informed" i applaud you for keeping a open mind regardless where that lands you politically. 👍

well hopefully it isn't this narrative. "I don’t care what the fallout is. It had to happen and I congratulate Joe." damn dude, people are fleeing for there lives right now.

no kidding thats why they send it to them. they jave already made nuclear threats and have been agressive in military exercises in the south china sea. its called a proxy war for a reason.

i agree but at this point i see our enemies using this as a way to supply a enemy for a proxy war. im sure china has already sent supplies. let them grow or entangle our military now and keep spending to oblivion. good thing we did not foolishly spend money on people sitting on their a$$ or bicker about pronouns so we are prepared to defend ourselves against threats that wish nothing more then to obliterate us. good thing we have strict control over our borders. this is getting serious quickly and leadership is nowhere to be found. our allies better not think we can be the worlds police this time.

i love everything about this thread. its a perfect encapsulation of modern liberals and how they think. first the celebration of diversity. this is because they look only at skin color. "whites" are a single entity. there is no diversity or difference between polish, italian, irish, ect ect. zero cultural or historical differences. hate to break it to you all but diversity exists outside of skin color. america has always been diverse 🤯 second we have this gem. what does this mean? is this some kind of victory? you realize most our food and energy come from rural areas. i know living in cubicles stacked on top of one another is a preferred way of life for some but we need rural america. here's a good visual representation of a urban liberal. casually getting all his needs met and having no clue,or care, of how it happens. i like the halo around his head. to me that represents the virtue signal he loves to bask in all day. thats just my artistic interpretation 😉

i like it. at the end of the day its a reminder that whatever your politics, we at least have our team in common. screw biden..go bills!!! 😉

ha yeah i went off on a tangent again didnt i? i agree 100% with your assement on the moderate liberals needing to step up big time against the far lefts more radical agenda. unfortunatly they are the only ones left to do it. the right is seen as the enemy and the media and corporate america have fully embraced there ideas. it will require the moderates alone to reign that segment in or i predict a slaughter at midterm elections. i dont think it will happen as the moderates see the far left as opposition to conservatives. any enemy to my enemy is a friend deal. one can only hope that if the republicans do get major control, they dont advocate using it to solidify their own power the same way i see dems currently advocating. super packing the supreme court lol nice to know that there are still objective people on the interwebz. we as a society need to get back to that as holding people in (power) accountable should always be the objective regardless of the letter in front of their name. the ratings crash of the major media gives me hope that the propaganda from both sides is being questioned and tuned out. 👍

what do you think of the millions of open jobs that are now offering a min of $15 a hour with signing bonuses. my place has been looking for employees for years, well before/ during/ and presently in the pandemic, essential through it all. union benefits. well over min wage. easy access to a bus route with nothing stopping anyone besides basic reading writing and standard drug test, that doesnt care about marijuana anymore as well. when your in a industry seeing that hire sign everyday. that simply cant find stable employees. while also being a person who worked 50-60 hour weeks for just enough to get by while going to college fulltime. this was years and years after most of my inner city education so i again had to work hard just to competently get in starting at community and then bachelors. has this effort corrupted my view on whats going on in this country? was that experience what made me more conservative? personally i think its because the left has shifted the overton window waay off, most of my liberal beliefs are still intact. but knowing that i climbed the hurdles that others complain can not be reached is pretty irritating. the fact race is used when i applied for the same low income loans offered to ANYONE but was EXCLUDED from many of the GRANTS that were based on race, tells me they are wrong. you seem logical, which is why im asking. how is it people look at the situation in this country and especially at PARENTS who should be willing to die to provide in a attempt to give them a better life and not lose empathy for the incredibly contradictory way that opportunity is at a all time peak yet there are still those who are making excuses for others not fighting there azz off to grab it right now. in this moment and time as long as good jobs are available i have to think its changing alot of peoples minds on why MANY, not ALL but many are "struggling" as every story i see has me asking. WHY ARENT YOU WORKING?!! your kids are counting on you! maybe thats wrong, but its honest. how are you justifying it? has your outlook changed due to the circumstances? if you read all that. lol

i watched the whole interview and obviously the hypocracy is unbelievable. as a family of a victim watching her statement of how important she is must be gut wrenching for them. i think there was a more obvious issue that is overlooked. the flat out lie. she claims she had death threats from active police. when the journalist press her on it..which i think surprised her as its rare. look at her reaction. she switches it to the past. when they again ask her if she has gotten them as a gov official she says yes. but then scapegoats the topic and not giving any details is very odd. not to go into detail and present proof to get this/these officers immediately terminated and arrested for threatening a sitting member of congress? i have no doubts she's been threatened I'm certain both sides get their share of psychos but that interview is just something else moderates will hopefully see for what it is. justification through race baiting propaganda. the continuous go to for the left.

did you put up a link just to do it? one paragraph from cnn where they include the source....cnn lol. seriously man that is the weakest article ive ever seen. were you hoping noone would click it? were the "increased calls to take action" three guys in the room at cnn while this paragraph was written? they took a poll and its gone up 75% 😄. hey FOX say there are screams from EVERYWHERE biden is a communist..source fox. man you hear that? everywhere is a pretty big place. then you add. send the vax swat to kick in doors or no fema for you? its called individual freedom my man. the census uptick in fl population and down in cal/ny says theres "growing calls" to allow it.

i think the point your missing, or conviently ignoring, is the mandate that forced covid+ patients into nursing home...forced, as in you MUST admit these highly contagious people into a enclosed area with people, that to every human being with a working braincell are the most likely to die if it is spread. even though there was the javid and a ship was sent that was virtually empty. i know Michigan's gov did the same. cooking the books is a fraction of the story. we should not mitigate either side but the news found +15,000 people died due to this specific order. mass murder. any R gov comparable to that?

i could care less about that. imo i think the dems are trying to get their guy to take the easy route so "justice" is served. aka a nice beachfront property. he disappears and this whole mass murder thing goes away. i dont need to investigate him. many news organizations have done it but if the mainstream media doesnt latch on then it quickly goes out of the publics short attention span. not mine. so no he didnt try to have sex with me but anyone who bought his bs and defends him today took it from him...ill stop there.

its hilarious how the narrative so easily moved. poof doj drops investigation of how he order people with covid into nursing homes. why did he do that? why did he also enact ruling that the loved ones of said patients who contracted and died of covid could not sue the nursing homes for malpractice and neglect. why did he not use the javit center? politics, thats why. thats what he did. is intentional murder enough? and yes it was intentional. a three year old is taught to stay away from their grandparents if they are ill as ANY illness is dangerous let alone a global pandemic. options were available. numbers were skewed. not only did he do this he sold books on "leadership" that made him millions, made jokes with his brother, pulled back police on the riots destroying his city. thats what he did and is doing again to small buisnesses about vaccines. all while a segment of society gargled it down while the media passed him a emmy. so he also harrassed women and this is the nail in the coffin? he shouldnt "step down"? he shouldn't disappear onto a nice resort in a early retirement? your right cause that pos should be in a dark cell.

this is why i pray to all that is holy trump does not run again. there is a 4 year narrative on him that lets be honest, he did not help himself to shake. 1/6 should put the nail in the coffin as that will be drummed into the public for 4 years. the dems seem scared to death of him regardless. the whole impeachment 2.0 with days left was meant to make them feel warm and toasty that they would not have that looming threat on a ticket. the anyone but trump crowd has softened but there is a long time to fortify again. if the Rs can start fresh and be very careful about being active against any of the previous media claims to not stick to the canidates then i think its a easy win as dems are locked into...kamala 😅😆😂. i seriously think they will primary her if/when joes icecream melts. but then again im asking trump to put his ego aside for the future of the nation, no money on that bet. regardless of what happens biden is toast with any southern states as he has flooded them with immigrants. all gun owners..thats alot of people. defund the police will be reminded in every ad for 4 years. even the way he immediately cancelled keystone. true or not people see gas prices crushing working americans and i think the overwhelming union backing he got is seriously regretting the fact jobs cant seen to hire people to pay the dues! one big caveat is how much more free money is he planning on passing out. he can definitely buy back some votes but it won't matter if inflation goes nuts at the same time. rent moratorium has ended. school loans are about to start and we are back to talking about lockdowns. yikes! i truley think people in the middle are sick of all this polarization. question is just how many are there. all we can see on large scales are internet forums which makes it seem like common sense is in short supply..but i dont see it in real life and guessing neither do you. if somehow we can rise up and demand these media companies give just a bit of time to a third party or someone with ALOT of money actually has morals i think we can finally have a shot at a third party candidate. thats the only hope of legitamatly turning this boat away from the iceburg and avoiding some type of civil war. we currently have our "leaders" abandoning there duties and issuing fines and warrants for each other all while our enemies watch. scary stuff.

lol what? a nerve? i just briefly forgot that there is no discussion to be had with certain people on this board. i think its cause you changed your avatar. like i said you can save your meme, hopefully its a fresh one, for someone who hadn't gone through the bills..timewaste before. that statement you made was for calling out the other side..thats all. because thats the main point of everything you put on this board regardless of the topic. i really think this place would be better if people would just not engage with those that aren't interested in honest debate. it derails threads and nothing is gained. i apologize for breaking my own rule. like i said it won't happen again.

your right. i almost engaged in a discussion with you forgetting who im talking to. i deleted it. put the trump meme you just copied and pasted away. we both know that was going to be your response regardless what i say. wont happen again.

you saying "mens union" means there was a collective bargaining agreement. this means that all negotiations were represented and voted on. im not sure how on earth people who VOTE on the terms of agreements "were not given a choice" or what your talking about with the mens union? as i said, im interested in objective information that contradicts the info i given. maybe im in a biased bubble on this one. so what is it? the video states that the women declined the mens structure? so that's a lie? it states with how they made more certain years? lie? the benefits they get that the men dont was a equalizer which i doubt is a lie, since it was a factor that made their case get tossed out of court. court, that reviews evidence that me or you have prob not seen, in a liberal state. the issue is the claims all seem to suggest at most, these were buisness decisions about contracts. so the womens league should be bringing any grievance about said contracts to the union reps who negotiated but more important THE WOMEN in their union that voted on them. instead its made out to be some social justice message about gender equality and leftists just blindly agree with it as with all "causes" where "claims" are made....which is why there have been so many that have been completely debunked repeatedly. if that video is true, there will be no retraction from the mainstream narrative. there will be no apology. leftists will still use rapinoe as some face of the evil inequality women must face regardless if this was all just a self serving grift. a golden opportunity to put pressure to renegotiate a contract they want more from based soley on the political climate.

the womens team are in the fifa collective bargaining agreement. heres a video that states they have CHOOSEN a different pay structure. they have been given more benifits for child care ect ect. they already went to court and lost. this case was in california, one of the most liberal states in our nation and lost. this is a obvious right leaning channel but more then happy to hear any logical counterpoints that are being overlooked on the topic. if not, this is just another left talking point that falls apart when critical thinking people scratch the surface of what is really going on..yet leftist will use it with no regard to the facts, which happens repeatedly as mainstream will never investigate the actual evidence..so one HAS to use "right wing" sources which again can be dismissed as RIGHT WING propaganda and of coarse advocated to be censored just on that label alone. its a real problem.