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So he goes from Cardale Jones (Cardale Jones Cardale Jones) to talking about Ohio state to gushing on about how he played the game to talking about the Miami Hurricanes as though he was on the team to... well, geez, I don't know where he's going to go next. But this might be the best hijacking of a thread that I've ever seen. Noogie, simple question for you, what does Taylor need to do to win your affection?

How many does he have? Better yet, how many Fourth-quarter come from behind victories does Aaron Rodgers have against any team with a winning record at the end of the year? The answer to the second question is two. As for the first question, Rodgers has come back in the 4th quarter in 7% of his games over the span of his career. Taylor has in 6.9% of his career games.

See... these leaps to conclusions are apparently just inevitable here. So silly...

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Clutch is overblown and overrated. It's great to have, but you don't need to have it to be great. See Aaron Rodgers. And I bet after I just posted his name you're immediately jumping to a single pass or a single play like the third down beauty that one the Dallas game in the playoffs. But the simple fact is, Aaron Rodgers really doesn't come from behind in the fourth quarter, with the game-winning drives. He's done it about as much as Taylor over the span of their careers, by percentage. And now someone's going to assume I'm comparing Taylor to Rogers and sayings somehow that Taylor is comparable in terms of how good he is. At least he used the quote function correctly there, right?

First of all, how did you get those numbers? Did you take both 2015 and 2016 and do math to come up with numbers he'd get with 35 passes per game? Or did you just take one of those years, and if so which one? Secondly, if he has those numbers I also assume he's going to get about the 500 yards and for the six rushing touchdowns he's gotten over the last two years as well? Those numbers could be a little higher or a little lower, but we all know Taylor is going to get a good amount of yards and at least a few touchdowns on the ground. If he starts all 16 games and get those Numbers and the team has a competent defense, I expect we'll make the playoffs and Taylor will be re-signed to a long term more stable deal.

I guess you think Philip Rivers and Drew Brees suck also?

Sorry, I really wasn't trying to be a buzz kill. I discovered that website last year when I was curious about the same subject. I think they just go through all of the ESPN sports and aggregate the data. There's other interesting stuff in there, too.

It breaks it down into less than 3 yards, 3 to 7 yards, 8+ yards. Taylor ranks as followson those passing plays where he does not scramble (which in all probability would actually increase his percentage since he such an effective scrambler... he was 10/16 on such plays on 3rd down in 2015): 3rd and short- 10th (16 plays) 3rd and medium-27th (51 plays) 3rd and long- 8th (51 plays)

You know the work is already done, right? http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=047&type=Passing&year=

Taylor was 8th in the NFL in third and long conversion percentage on passing plays in 2016.http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=047&type=Passing&year= I can't find the numbers for 2015 at the moment, but I remember distinctly that in 2015 his numbers were even better. That website had the same numbers for 2015, but I can't find a link to those numbers for that year anymore. I probably have it somewhere, but if I recall correctly I think he was about fifth or sixth and third and long conversion percentage on passing plays in 2015. Just think, for example, of that third and 24 or whatever yardage it was against Seattle with Taylor throwing a beauty to Robert Woods on the sideline for a conversion. Taylor is actually a QB you do want on third and long, probably because of the threat of him running as well. In 2015, I know that on passing plays where Taylor tucked the ball and ran (aka: scrambled) he converted 10 out of 16 of those third downs, which would actually increase his third down percentage in 2015 by more than 3% alone if those plays were factored in. It's weird the way perception very often does not match reality when it comes to what Taylor has accomplished or even what he's good at.

Kind of funny you ask this question because Taylor has been one of the best QBs on third and long over the last two years. That's actually a statistical fact.

I disagree about the first two weeks. I'm not saying that they should be disregarded completely, but Roman was fired after a game where the team put up yards and points. The problem in those first two games was that the offense couldn't stay on the field. And yes, Taylor was a part of that for sure. But it's pretty telling that the offense of coordinator was fired, again , After a game where the team put up yards in points. The bills had a 39% three and out percentage in those first two games. And one of those other drives that wasn't a three and out was an interception thrown on third down in Romans "all or nothing" offensive playcalling mentality. It's third and one and in typical Roman fashion he calls it down field throw rather than moving the chains. It's great when it works, but a low percentage play and it turns the ball over to the other team. That was as bad as a three and out if not worse. And that's Roman. All that changed once Lynn came in as the offense of coordinator. And back to the promise of the original post, that's why I believe there's a lot of optimism and Taylor thriving and this West Coast offense.

How what works? Math? I agree. Roman's offense was never a problem. It was his game preparation/planning and play calling. I'm sure that's why he was fired.

Are you drunk? We'll see, but one thing's clear You sure aren't having the first laugh

Subtract the last game where he didn't play along with the first two games where an offensive coordinator who would be fired (and apparently the team wanted to fire him as early as the summer) call the plays and the bills were 14th in the NFL and three and out percentage.

These discussions are only fun as long as you are grounded and some sort of reality, which you are no longer a part of. Right now you should go take a look at that chart. If 69% of the passes thrown in 2012 were outside the numbers that means that 31% were "inside the numbers." I don't know if those middle numbers of 31% start from the outer or inner edge of the numbers, but 31% is less than 1/3rd already. Look at all those passes that come into your beloved 1/3 of the field just inside those numbers. There are a lot! What percentage of those sideline throws do you honestly think or throwaways? Furthermore, what percentage of those sideline throwaways were plays that were not designed to go to the sidelines anyway? If you honestly think that those sideline throwaways combined with those passes inside the numbers that equate to your outer 1/3 of the field still somehow translate into an even distribution across the deep portion of the field, you're in fantasyland. This is fun and all, but it's clear even with evidence right in front of you, you'll fight with all of your might just so you can be right. Sounds like a good nursery rhyme with you as the main character

The Bills don't get very many three and outs with Taylor at the helm and an offense of coordinator focus on moving the chains rather than all or nothing plays the way Roman was. They were 14th in the league and three and out percentage in the 13 games Taylor was running Lynn's offense.

Here's a pretty good example of you guessing or twisting numbers to fit into your own narrative. I assume that you came up with those numbers because you went outside of the numbers and assumed that pro football focus was Considering the middle of the field everything from the sideline edge of the numbers all the way to the middle of the field. If that were the case your percentages would be accurate, but more than likely the left and right sides include the numbers themselves. and if that's the case, the numbers are actually this: The left side: 26.3% of the field The right side : 26.3% of the field The Middle: 47.5% of the field

Hmmm... fascinating... The chart also immediately reveals the importance of the sideline, particularly downfield. Of passes thrown more than 20 yards, 69 percent are directed between the numbers and the sideline, while only 9 percent target the area between the hashes. Whoa... and, Although at first glance the pattern may appear mostly symmetric, NFL quarterbacks target receivers on the right side (46 percent) of the field more than the left side (41 percent). So given this article with this chart and data along with the 2013 chart that looks about the same, it sure seems like QBs don't throw to the deep middle (especially if we were to divide the field in thirds ) nearly as much as they throw to the deep side sidelines. Found my keys, they were right here under the streetlightwhere things are well lit, after all. I'm going to the store to get some Scotch, you guys want some?

Except for his game winning drives against Tennessee and Houston last year and Jacksonville this year. So 3 games is "never?" And "like always thanks to TT"? Seriously? Did you watch the last Game he played in or the game against Seattle? Wow I forgot that you were the guy that was banned in record time on this board for pushing a guy who might be on another teams practice squad this year. Bravo! Sounds like a previously band troll under many different names on multiple boards.

#gogetThurmunderthestreetlight

Wow You're living in your own world aren't you? Coach mentions middle of the field and clearly he's talking about the deep portion of the field but clearly he's not talking about the short portion of the field because that's where Taylor is good? Are you making this up as you go along? That sure is what it seems like. Gilman was considered the father of the passing offense. The West Coast offense and other offenses have come down from that. Where is there a reference to dividing the field in three? These are conclusions your drawing in your own fantasy land. You have it right there, essentially saying that the father of the modern passing game divided the field horizontally and five, and yet you are so arrogantly saying that obviously the offensive masterminds who followed figured out that they needed to narrow that down to three, rather than five. The problem is, you don't have any evidence. and if the field were divided in three, don't you think coaches would be wiser to use the landmarks like numbers and sidelines rather than subjective vision? Thurm, You've been very entertaining with your snide street light remarks and the arrogance of your posts directed at me, but maybe for once you should just admit that an argument you're making is your own, and one you made up, and not something that clearly and obviously shared by everyone in the NFL.

So the coaches talk about the middle of the field and we are required to believe that it's not just the middle, but it has to be the middle one third rather than the middle area that coaches can easily and clearly see in game film and on the field, all those passes between the numbers or between the hashmarks? Apparently you think coaches care about geometry? And remember, you're the one saying the coaches made the statements about the middle of the field. There has never been anything said about the deep middle. There has never been anything said about the middle one third. You're just arbitrarily choosing something based on watching film of one player who you are clearly biased against, which is fine because we are all biased in someway as human beings. However, it would've been relatively easy to show that you have some level of credibility when it comes to this by looking comparatively at the other quarterbacks across the NFL. Instead, you refuse to do this and continue to latch onto what you witnessed in a vacuum with your own biased eyes. And what's funny here is that I've never said after 2015 that Taylor didn't need to work on the intermediate middle portion of the field. This whole discussion continues because your absolute an incredible obsession with the deep portion of the field. And you've been proven wrong, time and time and time and time again. Apparently your latching onto two passing charts by two of the best quarterbacks in the NFL, one of them being probably the greatest quarterback in NFL history, and that was only one chart from one year, and somehow you think that's definitive proof that all QBs spread the ball exactly evenly or even close to it to the deep portion of the field. It's ridiculous. Middle third is not a thing, Thurm. no one uses it other than you, which is why I suspect you've come back here trying to give the runaround. Couldn't find a single quote from a coach or NFL GM or anyone regarding the middle third of the field, could you? Now, as far as the 2016 season goes, Taylor has clearly improved as far as effectiveness when throwing across the middle of the field. Middle third. Middle fifth. Middle middle. Whatever the hell you want to call it. Again, with whatever two charts you use for Brady and rivers, there were at least a dozen more from other quarterbacks and even Brady and Rivers from different years that blatantly demonstrate that quarterbacks simply don't go to the deep middle that much. By percentage, deep middle throws are the smallest percentage that a QB makes. For whatever amount of work you put into watching Taylor make every throw and charting all of those middle thirds to the deep and intermediate sections of the field, your conclusions are questionable at best, simply because you didn't put the rest of the necessary work and to draw those conclusions. You even said when you presented this initially that the problem with Taylor throwing to the deep middle portion of the field had more to do with frequency than anything else because frequency was what made him predictable. I don't think that anyone really would've disputed that Taylor needed to be better throwing to the deep middle portion of the field when he threw there. The big issue that you hold so strongly to is the fact that frequency was the issue, when it's clearly not.

Taylor finishes with 4000 yards passing and 30 passing touchdowns. The bills win a playoff game. You said bold, right? Ever the buzzkill aren't we Thurm?