transplantbillsfan

I really think these kinds of predictions are interesting discussion points, but also really just wild stabs in the dark. I bet no one here admits to being one of them, but by the end of the 2012 season Kaepernick and RG3 were going to be the next "studs." Now look at them. In 2014 Ryan Tannehill apparently took the step into being the next "elite" guy. Is he even close to elite after 2 more seasons? You keep making these "bold predictions" if you want. You're gonna gloat if you're right and deny if you're wrong. I generally try to stay away from these types of dumb predictions and the bets like the one commonsense tried to get me into earlier because, well, I don't know crap about the future and why pretend I do?

Sounds like a guy who only cares about money and stayed in Buffalo because it was the most financially viable option for him to get rich and hoard all his money away. I actually don't. Can you tell me what you've apparently heard a bunch of times about a closed mind? Well, it's a thing because Taylor was clearly better than Wentz last year. You're really just out in left field here...

Again, we were talking about the 2015 season... I really wish people would read all the words in a post before they respond. Thank you. Luck stunk in 2015. Taylor was better than Winston in 2015. That's just 2 from his "better than" list. But I really wish this board (and thread, in particular) would stop consisting of posters who see certain words or parts of posts and talk about them completely out of context

I read your posts. Funny, considering I have him write in your range just three spots above where you had him and yet your problem was with the fact that my range of a "reasonable person" is a little wider than yours. Maybe tone is just completely lost over the Internet, but it sure seemed like you were being snarky one towards me when I said I could see a reasonable person putting him between 7-15.

Holy crap! Did you seriously just cherry pick like that? You could do that for any quarterback in the league. Not just unscrambles. You could pick a part completions they make and find completions they should've made for better yardage or touchdowns or first downs. There are obviously some times or Taylor scrambled when he could've made the throw. But he gained 8 yards per scramble. He got a number of first downs on those scrambles. A good number of them on third down. He scored 4 touchdowns on scrambles. This whole game you're trying to play or yards on the ground or less meaningful than yards in the air even for a quarterback is just ridiculous.

Rookie? Dude, check your facts. Benoit and say he have been covering the NFL scrupulously and seriously for roughly the same amount of time. Fahey's not gospel. No football "expert" or "guru" is. But he's well respected in league circles. Boy, I just really get under your skin, don't I?

First of all, I'd like to point out that ranking the season is very different from ranking a quarterback. However, you can look at a season and believe that the guy that you think to be the 15th best quarterback had the seventh best season in one specific year. I hope you actually understand that. And if so https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000578287/article/qb-index-ranking-the-starters-from-1-to-32%3fnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%253Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%253Dstory&env=&pageKeyValues=prtnr%253Daround-the-league%253Bteam%253Dne%253Bteam%253Dmia%253Bteam%253Dchi%253Bteam%253Dla%253Bteam%253Dno%253Bteam%253Dcar%253Bteam%253Dphi%253Bteam%253Datl%253Bteam%253Dind%253Bteam%253Dnyj%253Bteam%253Dwas%253Bteam%253Dnyg%253Bteam%253Dten%253Bteam%253Dtb%253Bteam%253Dmin%253Bteam%253Dsf%253Bteam%253Djax%253Bteam%253Dcin%253Bteam%253Dbuf%253Bteam%253Dhou%253Bteam%253Ddal%253Bteam%253Dgb%253Bteam%253Dden%253Bteam%253Dkc%253Bteam%253Darz%253Bteam%253Dbal%253Bteam%253Dclv%253Bteam%253Doak%253Bteam%253Dpit%253Bteam%253Dsea%253Bteam%253Ddet%253Bteam%253Dlac%253Bconf%253Dafc%253Bconf%253Dnfc%253Bdvsn%253Dace%253Bdvsn%253Dncn%253Bdvsn%253Dncw%253Bdvsn%253Dncs%253Bdvsn%253Dnce%253Bdvsn%253Dacs%253Bdvsn%253Dacn%253Bdvsn%253Dacw%253Bplyr%253Dmatthew_ryan%253Bplyr%253Djoseph_flacco%253Bplyr%253Dmichael_crabtree&p.ct=Around+the+NFL&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%2523fff&p.bgc1m=%25230964bf&p.bgc2m=%2523053a74&sr=amp Here he's at 12, where I also have him https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-pffs-2015-nfl-quarterback-rankings Here he's at 10 https://www.google.com/amp/www.ibtimes.com/nfl-quarterback-rankings-2015-where-all-32-qbs-rank-after-week-15-2236999%3famp=1 Here he's at 14 And then you get into metrics that I actually measure QB play. DYAR he's at 14 DVOA he's at 8 Passer Rating he's at 8 Total Qbr he's at 7 Now, I really want to know, you say you can't even engage in a conversation with someone who thinks Taylor falling in that 7 to 15 (you say not 7, 8, 9, or 10), so where is your magic number? Again, I think he was 12. But I stand by what I sad about the 7-15 comment. Are you really this narrowminded?

Fun fact: Andrew Luck and the colts are 25-0 when the opponent is held to less than 20 points. Good defense = wins & Bad defense = losses... for a lot of teams... even ones with good QBs

This thread is absolutely out of control with people selectively reading what they want to read and narrowly examining points in simple-minded fashion, often on purpose, rather than discussing the issues rationally and reasonably. It's too bad this is what these Taylor threads always devolve into. I'm out. An evening surf session beckons

Hunh?! Dude, you're all over the place... maybe that last time you had to change your username post "Ryan" ban messed up your mind a bit. Probably safer if you just ignore me

Where did I say Taylor was the 7th to 12th best QB the last two years? I said I thought he was the 12th best in 2015, only 2015. If I were to put a number on 2016, he was probably somewhere around 20. Bruh, try reading

I just like talking about the QB. I love football, but QB is really just the only position I'm interested in talking about. And Taylor has looked good enough to give me hope for the future. If that's what a homer is, I guess I'm one of them. But I didn't think that's the way that term would be defined. I'm not confident in saying anything about how he'll play this year. I'm going into the year with a really open mind because I could see him falling on his face and I could see him being really good. I'm glad we got those two extra first-round draft picks because if he falls on his face, I'll be eager to see who we draft in the first.

We can do a fun bet on total yards if you want. But again, I'm not doing naming rights. You were the one who wanted to do this bet, so come up with other terms.

Oh, passing yards. I don't really feel like making that bet. You confuse me with someone who believes that Taylor is going to be some kind of elite or Hall of Fame QB. I don't really know what he's going to be. I just think he's done enough to earn another year. I could see Glennon getting more passing yards because of his team being behind constantly and an offense of system that has been passed ball a lot. That doesn't mean much, to me. If you're one of those people who measures the success of a passing offense solely by raw yardage I'm not with you in any way. I am curious, though, why are you afraid to bet that Taylor has more total yards then Glennon has?

I'm not doing naming rights. Come up with something else. But again you're saying total yards? Passing and rushing?

You want to bet that Taylor gets more total yards than Glennon? You seem angry...

Oh c'mon man... I addressed this above in my post to Thurm a bit, but no, I do not feel the same way about Kaepernick.

It was unlikely for Taylor to ever win the starting job in the first place. Incredibly unlikely. He did it. He played at a higher enough level that the new regime wanted a longer look, which in itself is impressive considering how often new coaches want new QBs. Taylor has already broken the "rules" that you think matter. They don't. Time to crumple them up and throw them out the window.

Your "passing TDs are all that matter" agenda is absolutely an incredibly amazing! Keep it up, at least it's entertaining

You and I are almost exactly on the same page in terms of Taylor's 2015 season. I put him at 12

I really wasn't trying to be snarky. I don't think Taylor was the seventh best QB in 2015. I think he was more like the 12th best QB. I said "a reasonable person." Maybe you're a reasonable person having an unreasonable moment, but saying Taylor was the 20th or 25th or worst QB in 2015 is far from reasonable. And it would be equally unreasonable to say that he was the best QB. What's the magic number for you? When does it start becoming "reasonable?" Do you even understand what I'm saying? I'm guessing that your belief is that only "reasonable people" believe Taylor is exactly as good or bad as you believe he is. If that's what you believe, Let's just and what turned out to be an explanation of something that shouldn't have needed to be explained to you.

Do you have early onset Alzheimer's Thurm or are you just being intentionally dense so as not to be wrong about something? It seems one or the other here, because you specifically stated when I presented that criteria to you that you could easily come up with 50 or so guys and clearly now you either don't remember (and you can easily go look through our past conversations to find it set forth to you, don't act like it would be that hard or take that long) or you're trying to twist the narrative to suit your purpose. The QBs you put forward do not match the criteria. Why does the criteria matter? Because none of those QBs sat on the bench for all of the four years. They started in year three, or even four, or two. That means that they had more time to be Evaluated. Bang asked me if I felt the same about Collin Kaepernick as I do Taylor, I assume it's because Kaepernick is going into his seventh year as well, but Kaepernick has 57 career starts under his belt. He's started double the games Taylor has started. We know much more concretely what Kaepernick is then we do Taylor considering over five seasons he had a significant number of starts. Taylor sat on the bench for four years behind the incumbent starter. It's not like there was a kewpie battle to win. He didn't have any opportunity to start until he got out of his rookie contract and went to another team where he earned at the starting job and played at NFL starting QB level. And he's been doing it for two seasons. Watching any QB play at the level she did for two seasons as his first two seasons starting our intriguing at the very least. It's the reason Taylor is still in Buffalo despite there being a new coaching regime, a new GM, a top 10 draft pick to go out and get "your QB" or the opportunity to go get a QB in FA. I'm gonna say this again, just in case you forgot since you seem to forget easily, your arbitrary seventh year thing isn't a thing in this situation because this is an incredibly unique situation. You can't find a single QB who sat on the bench for his first four years and then started in year five, so what sense does it make for you to quote history as though it's definitive in this case? It's not definitive and the odds are really no more against Taylor (generally speaking) than they are against any other 3rd year starting QB who's played really well at times and poorly at other times, but has generally looked like he belongs under center as a starting QB. There are no insurances that Taylor will improve, but saying the odds are so starkly against him because of some arbitrary seventh year rule is simply ludicrous when you consider the rules that have already been broken here.

How do you know? Have you finally done the necessary comparative film study to really make this kind of statement? Or are you just making assumptions? What are the rates on normal NFL QB will miss open receivers versus Taylor? How significant is the difference? I suspect all your doing here is making an assumption. Someone brought up and the Benoit and his comments on Taylor missing receivers. It's an issue that Benoit has had with Taylor for a long time. It also seems like it's quoted as gospel. Here are some alternative thoughts from a guy who scrupulously went through the film of every single QB in the NFL from 2016: "Benoit has consistently been one of Taylor's most ardent critics and that was his most damning statement. It's a fair criticism that Taylor will miss open receivers at times. whether the veracity of what Benoit states is true is more debatable." and "There are times when one negative can be so bad that it ruins the rest of the positives in a player's skill set. If that was the case with Taylor it would be fair to focus on his missed plays but it's not." and "in 2016 Taylor did a better job getting off his first read and cycling through his progressions to find the open receivers. That didn't mean he didn't miss receivers, but the good severely overshadowed the bad." and "You could ignore all the context. You could just point to missed throws. It'd to be about as rational as throwing out a four course meal because you're a fork is bent." That's from Cian Fahey's QB catalogue for which he watches and breaks down every single snap from every single QB in the NFL.

*sigh* Except Taylor gains 8 yards per scramble. That's more yards than all but the 5 best QBs in the NFL in YPA when they pass the football.

Benoit? One of my guys? Ummm... nope... You're all sorts of confused now.