transplantbillsfan

I agree that we saw Taylor do a lot of good he's been crucified for in the past: maybe his best game so far passing over the middle, multiple plays where you could see him going through multiple reads, and better than 50% in 3rd down conversions. But I'll wait 3 or 4 more games to decide whether he's actually better. What's obvious and clear and contradicts so many of the loudest most "knowledgeable" posters here from the preseason: Taylor can run this offense just fine as the offense we saw in preseason wasn't the offense we're seeing in the regular season.

Agreed.

Not worked up. Just talking. That's Taylor's 3rd down conversions on his own

If I'm the North Pole of the Taylor supporters and I said he wasn't amazing, just good or really good, then I think that just increases the veracity of what I said before regarding Extreme vs Middle even more

Also, Taylor was 7/13 (54%) in converting 3rd downs. I don't think folks can really call him a 3 & out machine in that game.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-game-recaps-for-all-the-week-1-matchups I know folks are gonna love this so this will be entertaining, but according to PFF, since Thursday among the 24 teams and 12 games, Taylor's "refocused: game recap" grade was the 3rd highest, behind only Alex Smith and Matthew Stafford.

Nope. You lose any semblance of logic with your last statement. Saying or implying in any way that Taylor somehow shares equal fault with a TE who had a catchable ball in his hands that he didn't pull in is crazy talk. That ball should have been caught. Saying it any other way is twisting this because you want to make Taylor look bad. And I'm not even saying you're wrong in your description of the play, which I have yet to rewatch. I just think this is reaching the point of being stupidly nitpicky about a play that should've been a touchdown rather than an interception. Should have been a catch by any NFL TE of Clay's ability.

Jesus. Unhappy whiners who don't seem to understand that there were at least 3 dropped passes (way above the norm for an NFL QB) all by Clay and that once this team went up by 2 scores early in the 4th, the gameplan was RUN RUN RUN!!! Taylor was 15-26 for 220 yards at the very beginning of the 4th quarter when the Bills scored their final TD and clearly took their foot off the gas. They ran 15 more plays on offense after that point. Only 2/15 of those plays were passes. Sorry, are we looking for a QB who can help lead the team to Ws or are we looking for a QB who piles up fantasy stats? Taylor was the former pretty clearly today. Just don't draft him in fantasy if that's what you care about

Great points. This, I thought, was obvious. It was the Jets, so it's not going to matter. But there are clearly lines drawn at this point. 2 lines and 3 different camps: One Extreme: Taylor is no good. You're going to see the obvious ones in this camp along with the not-so-obvious in those folks who (in this thread, for example) posters are trying to mask their bias as they pin the faults of the WR on the QB or just completely disregard any discussion of WR faults at all. Disturbing how many are in this camp. Middle: Most of us. We think Taylor's been good enough to warrant more playing time and, if he plays well enough, could prove to be our long term answer. We're able to consider circumstances with situation. Those of us here, which is most of us, thought Taylor was good or really good considering what he was given and asked to do. Those of us here also expected this to be a throwaway week and anticipated the excuses in the faction above regarding team played or not enough done on Taylor's part or whatever. So, onto next week... Other Extreme: Taylor's an Elite or Amazing QB. They may exist. But there are very few of them. So, largely, this dialogue on Taylor has been between variations of factions perceiving Taylor from one extreme and from the middle. And I think a lot of that's really coming out right now

Decent, you mean?

Umm... no. The Int was on Clay. Pretty clearly

This. Ask the Steelers or the Falcons or the goddamn Patriots how easy it is to Win in the NFL against teams you're supposed to win against. Love the pic. Perfectly encapsulates all the Eeyores we clearly have here.

Lots of over the middle throws. Not surprised by your reaction, though. Onto next week

As far as the stat line goes, you're absolutely right. Taylor's play was really good today. Nothing spectacular, but really good. And today he had a number of passes "over the middle" and a number of plays where he progressed through his reads. I figured this would just be a warm up game, anyway. Clearly it was from the attitude of most.

Interesting take. Has he had any bad passes? Have you seen all the drops?

Taylor's been really good, not amazing. It'd be nice if Clay caught the 3 balls he should have caught

God I wish Clay could catch

Oh, so when you said "so close to Peterman starting Week One!!!!!" you were saying that because you actually thought Peterman almost won the #1 job and you weren't mourning the almost injury that kept Taylor out? My bad... football is 10 hours away!!!

Oooooohhhhh there's an interesting bet

Oh how I've missed you Interesting

At least you set up your excuse if Taylor has really good games to start the season. So tell us, what's your watermark for it no longer being a "gimmick?" If Taylor is playing well, by which game will you concede that he deserves credit? Game four? Five? Which one? because I think it's pretty obvious to everyone what your argument will be if Taylor plays well this week and or next week and or the week after that.

As much as people want to dog on the talent of this team, I don't think the precipitous drop really happened that everyone says happened. LOL is the same or maybe better with Dawkins. TE is the same or better with Thomas. RB is just gonna run through McCoy and he still looks spectacular. As critical as everyone has of getting rid of those other RBs, who cares? they could all or anyone of them easily be as good or better than either of our last two great number to RBs. That leaves WR, and this position is going to totally depend upon the health of its top 2 WRs in Jones and Matthews. And I actually think that Powell coming back after his four-game suspension will help, too. He and taped are the only two wide receivers Taylor has worked with before. Outside of them you have Holmes, who has some good NFL experience. But the simple fact is that Watkins and Wood messed 11 combined games in 2016. That's a big deal. Only the Chargers had their number one and number two wide receivers miss more combined games. We had Goodwin, Tate, Powell, and Justin Hunter out there as our primary "weapons" on multiple occasions. Our WR corps is better than those guys. Combine all that with an OC who has worked with TT before and will hopefully run a system to maximize his strengths and maybe everyone should be prepared to just be surprised

Seriously? The answer is obvious and has been mentioned money money money many many times. The better question, especially for someone like you who seems to have some major issues when it comes to TT, this is what happens if T team plays really well? And this team is winning? And we even *gasp* make the playoffs? What do you think we should do then?

Stay safe everyone! Nature is a beautiful but frighteningly powerful beast!

So this is you wishing for a serious brain injury for Taylor all because you want a guy who you thought should start based on a few preseason games would have otherwise been the starter and retained the job...? Amiright? I mean, Peterman was pretty clearly never close to winning any QB competition, so it couldn't be that. Wow, that's pretty pathetic.