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What? Suddenly we're talking statistics? Indy, we're talking around each other at this point.

How would you know if you don't even know what they are? I'll say this, you (and others) may not appreciate my consistent posting about Taylor, but when I have a conversation with someone, I'll actually read everything they say and click on links if there are any before I counter any of their arguments. This was probably just a momentary lapse for you, but it's not a good look.

Here's a nice breakdown of one of Taylor's throws http://www.cover1.net/filmroom-breakdown-week-7/ There are a bunch of things I love about this play. Let’s first talk about the great timing and placement of this pass. This is a very tight window, especially for a guy who hasn’t shown the ability to pull the trigger on a lot of throws like this. Taylor does an excellent job identifying the rotating safety. Pre-snap, Tampa Bay was showing a 2-high safety, cover 4 look, but right at the snap of the ball the safety on the left hash squats, while his counterpart bails for his deep middle responsibility. The read on this play actually becomes the middle linebacker Kwon Alexander, who you can clearly see Taylor immediately look to at the snap. Jones preoccupies Alexander just long enough to open up that window. Brent Grimes makes a really nice play on the ball; you can tell he had his eyes in the backfield the entire play. So, considering he [Taylor] made a great read and threw a perfect ball that escaped a corner ditching his zone to make an aggressive play on the ball having read Taylor the whole way, this is terrific execution. Taylor really does make this play look easy, but there is so much to like about his ability to read and diagnose the coverage, finding his read key, and throwing accurately to a brief window in the secondary. These are the sorts of plays Taylor will need to continue making to keep this offense trending upward, but this has to give you hope that there might be some passing ability in there that Rick Dennison is tapping into.

Well, at least I know you didn't bother clicking the links and looking at the passes since there aren't 6 passes there

Sorry, I would have liked to embed the videos, but not a clue how to do it. https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/923222076537950209https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/923222076537950209 https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/923226963539619840 https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/923234562272055296https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/923234562272055296 https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass/status/922824995130302464 https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/923238378274947072 https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/923239985679159297

whhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaat?! Dude, you can see very easily that Peterman's passes lack the velocity Taylor's passes have.

Considering that next to Sammy, Goodwin might've been the WR Taylor trusted the most, especially on deep balls, yes. and there's also Robert Woods and Sammy Watkins. Hell, last week showed you what QB & WR chemistry means to a passing game. Hopefully Taylor and Thompson can continue developing their chemistry

That's a really poor way of judging whether a QB has improved or not. Really? I think he has less to go than you think. Neither of those guys are great QBs, on the whole. Before this year tons and tons of posters pretty consistently made the Alex Smith comparisons, actually. Of course, we're just being victims of the moment and seeing what Alex Smith has done for 7 games in 2017 rather than the prior 11 years he had in the NFL as a starting QB.

when they're ignorant opinions, yes, it's healthy to ignore them. Alex Smith and Russell Wilson beg to differ

I think Peterman being the starter next year is a relative longshot in comparison to either Taylor being the starter again OR whatever 1st round rookie we draft being the starter. I also really don't think McDermott's going to make it an open competition at QB if this team makes the playoffs and Taylor plays more like the 4 games I mentioned than the Carolina or Cincy games.

So are you agreeing that if those things happen, your prediction that Peterman wlll be the 2018 starter is off base? Was your post saying you expect Peterman to be the starter predicated on all those unsaid "ifs" of us losing, not making the playoffs, and Taylor sucking?

If this team keeps winning, we make the playoffs and Taylor keeps playing like he did against NYJ/DEN/ATL/TB, I'd say there's very little chance Taylor isn't our starter game 1 of 2018 with a young drafted rookie learning on the bench.

I completely agree with your first 2 paragraphs. Regarding your last paragraph, I think the insinuation is that a more consistent game manager with a high floor and lower ceiling is often more desirable than a high ceiling and low floor. Basically, you know what you're getting with Taylor, rather than someone like Winston who throws 3 picks in week 2 and gave his team no shot to compensate as they lost by 2 scores before coming back the following week to throw 3 TDs and be the main reason for his team's win. Oh yeah, and he was effin terrible against the Patriots missing WIDE OPEN WRs consistently. Sound familiar? Too unpredictable for some. Taylor's floor is predictable. His ceilings are nice surprises. We just need to see them more

This isn't going to go over well with a couple posters, but right now, Taylor ranks: 7th with PFF 7th in NFL.com's "QB Index" 7th in BR's Doug Farrar's NFL 1000 weekly rankings (What continues to stand out watching Taylor is his wizardry in and around the pocket.) and (But his development as a pocket passer should not be overlooked. Two throws that stand out both went to Deonte Thompson. First, facing a 3rd-and-5 midway through the second quarter, Thompson ran the bending vertical route on a verticals concept working from right to left, and Taylor dropped in a precision throw to convert. Taylor hit Thompson again on a crossing route in the fourth quarter, this time releasing the ball just seconds before absorbing a hit in the pocket.) and I especially love... (There are times when he is a "see it, throw it" quarterback, and if he could get the ball out a hair quicker on some of these plays, he'll put his receivers in advantageous situations. But as B/R's Mike Tanier argued yesterday, "it's hard to criticize Taylor unless you deliberately set out to." He is playing the position at a high level right now and is a big reason for Buffalo's success.) 12th in Passer Rating 17th in ESPN total Qbr 17th in FO DVOA 19th in FO DYAR There are people here who legitimately still think he's a bottom ten QB, if not one of the worst QBs in the NFL. Those people, very simply, shall be directed to the quote referenced above: "it's hard to criticize Taylor unless you deliberately set out to."

Good example of a bad joke, poorly delivered

You seem all upset, why? There's another old saying, "laugh alone and the world thinks you're an idiot." Still morning for me, but I'm having a wonderful day, thank you

If you say so, boss. Soooo... you're admitting that you use sarcasm as an escape hatch when you say dumb stuff that you initially did not intend to be sarcastic, rather than just owning up to the fact that what you've said is dumb? Big of you to admit that, but sad that you do it so consistently.

It's still there. The 3 step drop has been mostly eliminated because of the batted balls in the first few weeks, although we saw that a few more times than I expected against the Bucs. The 5 step drop is still there. We're doing a lot of play action and Taylor is extremely effective out of that. Hell, the stark contrast from last year to this year just in terms of snaps under center is incredible: https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/snap-rates--shotgun-v-under-center--off-.html 2016: 20% of all snaps were under center 2017: 57% of all snaps were under center

b..... bu.... but we've been told he's a below average QB...? He must be... I mean, afterall... YARDS!!!!

Shady, you say this as though everyone else is in on all of your jokes, but I think you're in that room all alone, usually. I understand sarcasm just fine. I'm very sarcastic myself. You seem to use sarcasm as an excuse for some of the misguided things you say. And if you truly are sarcastic so often, you need to work on writing style because a lot of posters don't "get it." grb wouldn't have responded to your sack comment with the negative runs comment if he "got it."

Do you understand why it's hard to have any kind of conversation with you on here, now? It's impossible to tell if/when you're serious. It's easier to just take things you say I have serious issues with as "sarcastic"

The running QB gimmick? Did those look like running QB gimmick plays? So how long does that "gimmick" last? 35 games in and the "gimmick" looks to be working as well as game 1 Taylor's actually improving as a passer. I know that's a shocker, but he is. One example he's been so heavily criticized for: Average yards to go on 3rd down by QB this year: DeShone Kizer: 9.3 Tyrod Taylor: 8.6 Jay Cutler: 8.0 Matt Stafford: 8.0 Carson Palmer: 7.7 http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=098&type=Passing&year= Despite this, Taylor is currently top 10 in 3rd down conversion %. Amazing! Give a QB real game reps and with time he gets better.

Average yards to go on 3rd down by QB this year: DeShone Kizer: 9.3 Tyrod Taylor: 8.6 Jay Cutler: 8.0 Matt Stafford: 8.0 Carson Palmer: 7.7 http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=098&type=Passing&year= Despite this, Taylor is currently top 10 in 3rd down conversion %.

No, it's not. But Taylor said he told his agent he wanted to be back in Buffalo. This is where Taylor said he wanted to be. And even though no one is ever going to find a single report that Buffalo was going to cut Taylor if he didn't accept the paycut, there are reports that at least 3 teams (SF, NYJ, and Cleveland) were interested in signing Taylor if he was released. So the posters here saying there was just no interest in Taylor just seem to be in their own worlds. The thing is, again, Taylor told his agent he wanted to stay in Buffalo. Stay in Buffalo or go to SF, Cleveland or the New York Jets (and the New York market)... seems pretty understandable. You honestly think those teams wouldn't have given Taylor more than what he renegotiated to?

Maybe in real life, but not in the case of a business negotiation process.