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I like that... the ----------tyrod divide---------- Clever... and largely accurate. But I really don't think there's anyone in #1, and although I'm only guessing here, I think with your #1 you mean that these people think Tyrod could still be our long term answer to the QB position, am I right? I don't think anyone believes that anymore. I guess what you've illustrated there is why this discussion can be so infuriating because I legitimately think there are people in #4 and #5, but I just don't think the #1s are really out there any more. So the more "extremes" on this message board are those people in #4 and #5, and yet, those in #3, #4, and #5 have created this ridiculous "CoT" narrative when the truth is, those on the fringes in #4 and #5 are often a helluva lot more "cult-like" than anyone in #2.

This is how I've felt since last year ever since we traded down in the first and acquired all of our picks as the summer progressed. It's literally what I've been hoping for here for a very long time... and I've been vocal about it, too. But just because it's what I hope for doesn't mean it's what I think will happen. And I'm also not a believer in the "if the thing I want to happen most doesn't happen, the sky is falling!!!" attitude so prevalent here.

I don't, at least not into the top 5 for one of the 2 or 3 best guys who could and maybe should start week 1. But I'll be excited if you're right and I'm wrong

Shefter: Bills not engaged in any talks to move up in draft

Well gee, considering I've never ever ever said Tyrod is going to be great. And other than talking maybe about his 2015 season, I guarantee I've never categorized his overall play as anything close to great for the duration of a season. I'm done here because you're just getting all upset and illogical and making up ridiculous crap now. Have fun doing that. As much as you and your crew love to complain about this stupid CoT thing, you guys are the worst. It's like the moment you see the name "Tyrod Taylor," everything goes red for you at some point during the conversation and you can no longer think straight. Some of you are just always like that like xRushx. Some of you at least operate on a little bit of a higher plain intelligence wise so it takes longer for everything to just go completely red. But when you're just making up complete and utter crap, like you are here, that's when it's clear you've devolved the conversation and it becomes pointless. Enjoy your evening. Off for a sunset surf session.

So... All of the teams we play next year are going to be as good or much better than they were in 2017 and none are going to regress? That's a rhetorical question because you're pretending to see the future. It's dumb. Every year people try to predict how easy or difficult the schedule is the following year for all NFL teams and are very often very wrong.

I stand corrected on you saying it was 5% before. So maybe it only increased 1-4% for you, rather than 5%... still... you're coming around I'll be stoked if we do. I just don't think it's nearly as likely as you do, especially after Wood's early retirement. So legit question: Does this rule apply to all teams in the NFL or only the Bills? If it applies to all teams, we can apply your rule to the Jags and Vikings who also exceeded expectations by 2+ wins and our schedule gets easier, right?

Going into 2017, the Bills were regarded as having the 5th most difficult schedule in the NFL. Going into 2018, the Bills are regarded as having the 18th most difficult schedule in the NFL. Right now you're just trying to justify an argument with evidence that's seriously underwhelming. Next year the teams the Bills play on the whole might very well be better than they were in 2017, but you're really bending over backwards to try to make that true just because you seem to want it to be true, for some reason. Nope, I actually understand that the world is not black in white and that, in fact, most of the truth falls into the gray... but stick with your ridiculous narrative, though

Okay... so now it's very clear that you are completely reliant in your plan on trading up in the draft because that's the only way we acquire Rosen/Mayfield/Darnold. And that's fine. I'd love that, actually. And at that point, I 100% agree that the odds of Taylor being gone increase exponentially and would be perfectly happy, at that point, acquiring a QB in the McCown/Fitz tier. Where I think we differ is in the fact that you seem to believe that trade up is inevitable or easy or the only thing McBeane are really considering doing. I'd love it if we traded up for one of those 3 guys. We might do it. But lately I'm thinking it's less and less likely with the age of this team and how many holes we're going to need to fill over the next couple years. This seems to be where you and I differ from GunnerBill after just reading one of his posts. He seems to think there's a clear and obvious plan to trade up for Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield. I won't speak for you, but I know I'll be excited if that happens, I just don't think it will. McDermott and Beane really strike me as pragmatists and I think Beane's statements on valuing draft picks highly isn't just a smokescreen. I don't think he makes that trade unless he thinks the value is at least fair if not better for us than the other team. And I just think that'll be difficult to do. Less than 2 weeks to the new league year when all the really insanity commences!!!

Really? Is there even 5% who still think Tyrod is the long term answer? I think you're seriously overestimating there. What comments indicate to you that they view him as a last resort only? This is the kind of ridiculous hyperbole that causes friction here. I think we can ALL acknowledge that Tyrod is not choice #1 as who to put under center in a vacuum in 2018. The problem is, this decision won't be made in a vacuum. So, while McBeane very likely would love to have Rosen/Darnold/Cousins/Mayfield/Luck/Brees under center in 2018 over Tyrod Taylor, there are things they need to consider and weigh in terms of their options... things that it sounds like you won't understand simply because you don't agree with these things, but just a couple of them include: - We have an aging team with plenty of holes and 5 draft picks in the first 3 rounds we could use to build a foundation for this team and make them younger... acquiring Rosen/Darnold/Mayfield would require us to sacrifice the youth movement for at least another year - Cost of signing/acquiring a vet QB like Cousins/Luck/Brees

I don't even think this coming year is harder on paper, but that's why they play the games, anyway, right? Why does McDermott need to be "all in" with Tyrod OR have a toxic relationship with him? Why is it one or the other?

Ummm... what about our schedule tells you we're going to regress? I expect this team to be better next year, no matter who is at QB.

You seem upset... do you want a hug?

Soooo... you don't understand it because you don't agree with it? Really? Bradford's a walking injury.

Wasn't it 95% just a few days ago? Note that the "not a CHANCE Tyrod is a Bill in 2018!!!" narrative has been slowly shifting for the last month. Do we need to go through the stages of grief and provide counseling for this message board if Taylor is retained?

Yeah, right. Clearly that's what it says. It's the time of season where people will hilariously dismiss things that are directly stated that they don't like while also reading the tea-leaves psychoanalyzing exactly what is said in order to twist it into something they do like.

This is awesome. Seriously

Scenario #2... what if the Browns draft Darnold but they had him graded out almost exactly equal to another guy (Rosen, Mayfield or Allen) and then saw whichever guy they viewed as equal fall to their spot at #4. At that point, do they take calls from other teams offering Darnold to another team to draft the guy they wanted at 4 while acquiring multiple 1st round picks from another team like Buffalo? Does it cost less at that point if you're a team like Buffalo trading for Darnold who the Browns drafted at #1? I really don't think we'll trade up, but I think when teams have so many draft picks, they're more likely to offer up picks for maybe more of a fair deal.

There's an argument to be made for your model... but damn some people are just going to be screaming their heads off breaking their TVs and making claims they're done with the Bills if that's what happens. The Bills have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. Those picks are valuable. This team is certainly getting old. We're going to need to worry about RB, OL and DT in particular simply because of the age of the players in those positions, not necessarily because they need the upgrades. Shady, Kyle, and Richie are all going to be gone within the next 2-3 years. Wood obviously just retired. McDermott's statement of "we are not as far along as people may think" could be viewed as a warning sign to temper expectations about making huge splashes for a QB in this draft because he and Beane see all this draft capital as an opportunity to flood the team with some young talent. I'm going to be really surprised if the team doesn't draft a QB in the 1st round, but not absolutely shocked. I really want us to draft one because this QB class just looks so damn top heavy and I think even if we stayed put at #21 and drafted Jackson or maybe Allen (yuck!) if they fall to us, in any other year they could be viewed as guys who might go in the top 10 or even top 5. But at the same time, if 5 QBs are drafted say in the top 20, that's going to push a lot of blue-chip talent down. We have 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks, so draft a QB at #21 at least and you'll still have 3 picks remaining in the first 2 rounds. That's the route I think we take. But really, nothing is going to shock me in this draft at all.

Yep... but at some point he's gotta be right. What a funny example of dismissing what was said positively as a smokescreen, yet perusing individual words and phrases with a microscope claiming "he said this, it means this!"

Anyone have a list of all the posters who are "done" if Tyrod is still a Bill next year? #notBillsfans

Not a ton there... but I think more and more that Jackson ends up being the pick. Gonna be interesting.

If the team gets better this offseason, we could win in the playoffs, even with Taylor if he's our QB another year. If teams with Blake Bortles, Case Keenum and Nick Foles all won multiple playoff games, so could a team helmed by Tyrod Taylor.

Remember, something changed since that benching: McDermott fired the OC who asked for Tyrod to be benched. And so it goes... we console ourselves that what we want to happen actually will happen as we completely dismiss the words that come out of their mouths.

Who? I want Andrew Luck, Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Cousins, maybe Jackson... then Taylor. That's eliminating all those out-of-the-box guys like Drew Brees, who might be a UFA, but c'mon... anyone really think he's not resigning with New Orleans? Obviously I take Brees in a heartbeat. So honest question, who has Taylor as choice # 1 or even choice # 2? I think there's a delusion on this board that there are people who want the Bills to go this offseason without acquiring a long-term upgrade at QB over Taylor and I don't think I've seen any single poster say that. Have you?