transplantbillsfan

I don't jump in every single time. Pretty sure it's a free country. Pretty sure this is a discussion board. Pretty sure good discussion arises from parties with differing opinions. Why is it so bothersome to you that I interject when people say stuff about Taylor that I disagree with?

Why... you're right... and then Taylor was retained after 2015.... and then Taylor was retained after 2016 with a brand new coach and regime, despite everyone thinking he'd be inevitably gone... and now people are saying Taylor will be inevitably gone... will history repeat itself? does our Head Coach repeat the offseason of 2016 and choose to stick with the QB he defiantly choose to stick with last offseason when everyone thought he wouldn't? stay tuned Well, I love the Buffalo Bills and I like talking QBs. Taylor is the Buffalo Bills QB. And it's not all I talk about, I talk about the draft prospects at QB, too, and once we draft one of them I'll talk a lot more about him. But I don't really enjoy putting a lot of effort into guessing games. Whoever we get at QB, I'm stoked. And I'll talk about him along with Taylor, if Taylor's still on the team. Don't you worry

Not fully answering a question I've answered dozens of times. But in part, it's because some of you are utterly and ridiculously hyperbolic when it comes to arguing how bad Taylor is.

You mad, bro? No ringing endorsement? All of this is, as Sal says, in how you parse the language. It's that simple. You're going to read what you want to read. One thing that's pretty undeniable, though, is the fact that a lot of folks here believed Taylor would be flat-out cut because paying him the $6 million would be ridiculous. Well, those people look like they're wrong. And those people are also likely now backtracking, which is fine. As for my own personal feelings on what I want to do with Taylor and the QB position specifically... I'd trade Taylor in part of a package to trade up to the top 5 so we can land Rosen/Darnold/Mayfield if I could. I don't care if Taylor is under center. I just want our offense and team as a whole to get better. I want Darnold or Mayfield or Rosen or even Jackson. I'd be happy if we landed Cousins in FA, I just don't think it's happening. Taylor would be my ideal option #5 or #6. Not the best, but unlike some of you, I view him (and I think McBeane and reality views him) as far from the worst option and one we can make a serious playoff run with... again

I hope we acquire a great QB in the draft, too. Sounds like you'd be upset if Lamar Jackson were the pick, though.

Yes, because using those phrases means it's very unlikely he will be back... those phrases couldn't mean exactly what they mean... like that the Bills aren't planning on cutting Taylor or trading him, unless something they feel worthy of doing comes up

Thank God this was a bunch of crap. Love Shady. I think he's the 2nd Bills jersey I ever buy. The first was Fast Freddy.

Is he hurt? If not, I want him!

Who are you and why should we care? I'd love to see a list of posters saying this so we can come back to it mid-September and see who's actually watching the games.

You did say the best running game in the NFL far and away. You're right, they were, especially for 2015, but that's largely because of Taylor's rushing yards. Yeah, they only drop to #3, but #3 certainly is not "far and away the best running game in the NFL." And I think it's funny that you neglect 2016 where Taylor heavily impacted the rankings of our running game, which drop precipitously without his rushing numbers. No, 78% of the voters think Taylor won't be back in a Bills uniform in 2018. It's not that 78% of the voters don't want him back. Those questions aren't the same. Many of those voters/posters actually believed Taylor would be cut and that the Bills would never consider paying him that $6 million bonus due after March 16th. It's still a few weeks away, but both Beane and McDermott publicly dismissed the notion that the bonus was even an issue at the combine today. And while both are still being coy about the QB chatter (and rightly so), it certainly doesn't sound like Tyrod Taylor should pack his bags over the next couple weeks. And it's already sounding like a bunch of people were just plain wrong already in saying Taylor would be cut.

Btw, Taylor was one of the biggest reasons the Bills had the #1 rushing attack in the NFL, particularly in 2015. 2016 without Taylor's numbers Bills drop down to #3. 2015 without Taylor's numbers Bills drop out of the top 10 to #11.

Yes, I put up net yards. Does it bother you that Taylor and Bradford were less than 15 yards apart in terms of per game production? Or does it bother you that purely as a passer Taylor was actually more efficient? Or does it bother you that Taylor had 8 more TDs and 12 fewer turnovers than Bradford in a 29 game span that you're evidently just raving over for Bradford? Just a bit confused... let's just stick a fork in Bradford already... he's not the QB you're looking for. That last phrase will only have the desired impact if you picture an old man in a robe named Obi Wan waiving his hand in front of you and saying that at the same time

Shady, I want to thank you for the advice. I use rep for others because I know there are those who value it and sometimes it's better to give rep than respond, is it not? Now that I've pushed you over 1000, are the balloons colorful and the kittens playful?

A bit of the problem here... no context, which I think is something all the anTy Taylor guys consistently argue is necessary. There's the Seattle game. The Miami game last year. The KC game in 2015 that involved a strange "drop" and non-challenge. A Zay Jones drop in Carolina. 2 reversed TDs on phantom penalties in a 2 TD loss against the Giants in 2015. Taylor's not great. He's not a Franchise QB. But he's probably going to be our best option as a Bridge QB in 2018 assuming McBeane want the rookie to sit to start the year. Bortles was just awful that day. Did you actually watch that guy pass the football? Good God... and that guy just got a 3 year contract for $18 million a year. Hey... we got Tyrod for the same contract... but one year and out... not too shabby

Weird, if we're going by QB/passing play in the Jags game, Taylor was better than Bortles if you actually watched that game. Nicely done

Sooo... only the negative stats matter... is that about right? No. He doesn't. But you do, at least as far as posters go.

Look, like I said, I didn't and haven't looked at any draft chart for this. I'm not looking at one. Taylor's value would increase in a draft day trade if his $6 million bonus were paid out, so I think a 4th or even 3rd round value for him wouldn't be absurd. Siemian, I agree, wouldn't be worth more than a 7th round pick. Do with that math whatever you wish in terms of the draft value chart.

Ummm, I just thanked you for taking me off your ignore list. Why are you so upset? Can we stay on topic, please. Well, Taylor and Siemian don't cancel out because Taylor has more value than Siemian. So there's the explanation for the original values. Not sure what the snarkiness means, so I'll ask you this question again and even explain for you. Here are your exact words regarding Bradford: "I'll take my chances between 2015 & 2016 he played 29gms hopefully we get him to get bk to that form" Sam Bradford in 29 games from 2015-2016 249 Net yards per game 7.0 YPA passing 39 TDs 27 turnovers That's real. I didn't make any of that up. That's what you're saying you prefer locking this team to in a multi-year deal over Tyrod Taylor and his one year deal. And oh look, in 2015-2016 Taylor also started 29 games 235 Net yards per game 7.4 YPA passing 47 TDs 15 turnovers So, is this really an "I want Bradford" thing or is this a "I'll cut my nose off to spite my face!" thing?

Why on earth would you take both Tyrod and Siemian out of the trade? That's the point, duh. Siemian is notably worse than Taylor and, therefore, is notably less valuable. Not too smart, huh? Bills give Denver a 1st, a 2nd, a 5th, and an average range NFL QB who's started 40+ games over the last 3 years in exchange for the 5th pick in the 1st and a clear backup QB to whoever we draft at QB at 5. Laugh or SMH or IMHO or OMG all you want, it's not my fault your lunacy on this Tyrod argument and weird obsession with him is making you blind to what's probably a realistic and relatively fair trade. Wanna make that 5th our 4th rounder instead to give the illusion of Tyrod being significantly less valuable like you want? Fine, I bet Denver would very seriously consider accepting our 1st, 2nd, 4th and Tyrod in exchange for #5 and Siemian. You literally just said a 4th rounder. Why the sudden change? As for whatever chart you're going by, I didn't look at any chart and don't think teams really give a crap about those charts. Fine, make it our 1st, 2nd, 4th rounder and Tyrod for their #5 and Siemian. Happy? My life is now complete. Oh how I've missed you

Great, thanks for sharing

Why do they have to do this? You're an outsider. We're all outsiders, but I think a lot of people here are just so friggin emotional when it comes to this issue. (go ahead, accuse me of saying something ironic... I know you're thinking it), but... What gives you a clue that McBeane has to cut ties with Taylor this offseason? The guy is in Buffalo on literally a one year contract and as the OP referenced, all these other vet QBs are going to want multi-year deals and are likely going to want to be the guy at QB. It's just a guess on my part (though I think a pretty educated one based on all our moves to acquire all these draft picks along with Taylor's 2-year restructure last year), but I bet McDermott and Beane want to bring in their guy at QB who will be a young guy who they can groom and grow at the position. If you believed that the Bills were targeting a QB in the first round, while the possibility of bringing in a guy like Bradford or McCown or whoever as another QB exists, it's probably far less likely than keeping the guy you have on the team still under contract for one more year. I think the OP makes some great points because, ultimately, it takes 2 to tango. You've gotta get that other QB to accept his role, whatever you want that to be. Most of these guys out there will likely stay away from a team drafting a QB in the first knowing they could hear a fanbase booing them off the field before the mid-point of the season knowing there's a young pup right behind him. And that could absolutely happen with Tyrod Taylor in the first half of the season, too, but the difference is that if you then bench him and go to the rookie at any point to the season, you aren't financially tied to him, unlike a Bradford or a Keenum if you were to bring them in and bench them.

Bradford? Is that who you're talking about? Which do you prefer? Vet QB with a multi-year contract worth north of $10 million, possibly closer to $20 million per year with the following production: 249 Net yards per game 7.0 YPA passing 39 TDs 27 turnovers OR Vet QB on a one-year contract worth between $10-$20 million 235 Net yards per game 7.4 YPA passing 47 TDs 15 turnovers You take your chances on that first guy, my guess is McBeane would choose the 2nd guy over that first guy, but I have a nice bridge I can sell you

No, he didn't. There's never been a moment since 2015 when Tyrod Taylor has not been under contract with the Buffalo Bills. Sorry. Yeah, right. And then when his knees fail you're left with a rookie and noodle-armed Nate. Wonderful idea

I'm actually amazed that anyone thinks Bradford is really worth anything at this point. So many injuries. This isn't about risk vs. reward. It's about when the injury will happen. Hell, Bradford isn't even the vet FA QB with a knee problem from his own team. Bridgewater before Bradford, but I think you stay away from him, too. To me, the only vet FA QBs worth even pursuing as potential starters are Kirk Cousins and Case Keenum. Yet, at the same time I'd pretty quickly eliminate both from the list because of how much they'll cost. Cousins or bust for vet QBs... that's it. But I'd very much prefer a drafted guy in the 1st. And I think OBD would, too. And as the OP laid it all out, that's why I think Taylor staying is highly likely. And his primary exit from the team would be via a massive trade up that involves another QB who is much more obviously a backup than TT. Like here would be a possible trade I think could happen and I'd be good with it. Assuming Darnold/Rosen or maybe Mayfield are still sitting there at pick #5, Bills make a trade with Denver. Bills get pick # 5 and Trevor Siemian. Broncos get pick #21, pick #53, one of our 5ths and Tyrod Taylor.

Why a 2 year wait? If we draft Jackson, which is turning up more and more in these mock drafts, he'll be the starter in 2019 after redshirting his rookie year, probably behind Taylor. You better believe McDermott paid attention to what Andy Reid did this year.