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No way... Stafford was sooOOooo much better in college. And Favre played college ball 30 years ago when the game wasn't nearly as QB friendly... and he was a 2nd round pick. Nope.

Weird... you bring up a QB on another team in a thread about our future QB... Why? oh... and... You were also on the EJ train, too. But I'll thank you for the post, nonetheless ???? black population of less than 1%??? Where did that analyzing lead you??? Favre also played in the 80s in college... and he was a 2nd round pick, not a top 10 pick as Allen is projected.

EJ had all the physical tools and the willingness to work hard. God, I just looked at the scouting reports for both Allen and Manuel and even those are much too similar to be comfortable drafting him. Stafford was significantly more successful than Allen against a significantly higher level of competition. Forgetting scouting reports for a moment... Stafford was incredibly successful and got better every single year at a big time school in a big time conference and ALSO had all the physical attributes. Allen regressed at a small school against crappy competition.

Exactly!!! This is just head-scratching!!! My question for absolutely ANYONE is whether there's EVER been a QB playing for a relatively small school like Wyoming who didn't dominate the college competition who's been successful at the NFL level? Seriously... has that EVER happened? Big Ben dominated his lesser competition in college. So did Flacco. So did Wentz. Allen... not so much... and that's being generous.

This is all fine and dandy, the problem is he's going to be a high 1st round draft pick (unless there's been a whooOOOoooolllee lotta smokescreening, which wouldn't surprise me), rather than a mid round pick, which is where project QBs who are raw and need a ton of good coaching to reach their full potential are generally drafted... or should be. And one would think our fan base learned that from the last dude we overdrafted in the 1st round.

Probably because he resembles EJ Manuel... raw but with all the physical attributes to play the position.

Waiting for our trade up to #2, but if it doesn't happen, I think this is what happens. And I'll be excited about Jackson, too.

No crap. I've been saying that the whole time. But why would I want him? ...or never make it to the NFL

Seriously. I know that people here really believe in him... why? Plenty of past NFL players have been drafted for physical potential (Ryan Leaf, RG3, Jamarcus Russell, Blaine Gabbert, Blake Bortles, etc) and have simply flamed out. I've never seen a college QB so devoid of college production being propped up this much based off of what I can only believe to be purely physical potential. It's head scratching and infuriating because this guy looks like a project 2nd or 3rd round QB at best, to me. What are people focused on? Throws he can make??? Haven't we had enough of these project QBs that are "balls of clay" for us to mold? There's something I'm missing. What is it? I know there isn't a single QB in the NFL HOF with his forgettable production from a second-rate college football program like Wyoming. Is he supposedly going to break that trend? What the hell... someone explain this to me so I can get behind him sooner rather than later if we draft him... hopefully, we don't. EDIT: Changed the title since people think this is still an ongoing conversation. I'm already convinced he'll be better than I thought. I hated the pick when it happened... absolutely loathed it. But you can all be happy because my love of previous Bills QBs has never actually panned out, so me hating this pick (initially, now I'm pretty good with it) is a great sign for us Bills fans because Allen will likely be our savior. You're welcome

Mayfield

Well this is a nice surprise... you and I prioritize the QBs in this class in almost exactly the same way

I think the Browns are taking Darnold, particularly after what looked like a potentially historic pro-day for him, which is a shame because he and Mayfield are the 2 QBs I want most.

If it happens it happens and we'll all get behind Allen eventually. But for a coach and GM that have been pretty water tight over the last year in terms of leaks I just think there's way too much of a public connection here for this interest to be this real or this strong.

It's baffling to me that all Bills fans don't feel this way.

To the first question, you search for the best player in every draft at the time you're drafting. If you're drafting at the top of that draft... yeah, you're drafting a guy who you think could be a HOFer. Top of the draft yields more HOFers than any other area of the draft, plain and simple. Between 1936-1997 there were 111 former 1st round draft picks inducted into the HOF. 31% of all those guys were drafted as the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd picks of the draft. 12% of all those guys were the 1st overall pick. To the 2nd question, that's not my job, that's Beane's job.

Wow!!! I just looked at Yolo's thread about the rumored trade up and if it's true that's what the Bills proposed I was dead on

Who's this "us" and "we" you're referring to as though we take part in what we should keep and not keep? No, we didn't inherit Cordy Glenn, McDermott and Beane did. And did they use him AT ALL last year? Can you, miss something you never really used? Last year Dawkins and Mills we're our tackles and McDermott never ever knew an offense that consisted of Cordy Glenn as LT. And we didn't inherit the 21st and 22nd pick, McDermott and Beane earned them when they traded down in the draft last year. Someone else referenced Schopp in this thread... no, I definitely didn't call in I've never listened to him. I live 6,000 miles away from Buffalo. Maybe he's a TBD member

You're seriously underpaying if you think that's how we get to #2. I just think that won't get it done. Yeah I think that's about right. Might need to throw in a 4th rounder this year, though. A GM should do his HW and draft a QB in the top of the draft assuming, based on your scouting, that he's going to be a future HOFer. You don't refuse to go after that QB simply because the historical odds are he won't.

I'd love to only have to trade up to 7. And if 4 QBs grade out almost the same... okay then. Daniel Jeremiah recently compared his top 10 prospects in the 2016-2018 drafts and he basically says the difference between Darnold, Wentzville, Goff, and Rosen is negligible and he puts Mayfield and Allen ahead of Watson and Trubisky. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000922045/article/top-10-qb-prospects-of-past-3-nfl-draft-classes-darnold-no-1 So ya know what... if that's the case I'm still targeting Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield over Allen, but I'll eventually get excited about Allen's physical potential even if he doesn't have the college production the way Wentz or Big Ben or Flacco did at smaller schools against lesser competition even though that's what I think we should expect. The problem is that even if we have those 4 guys graded out about the same, there's a good chance you're going to have to trade up to get one of them anyway because all 4 could be gone in the top 10.

Did you inherit your car from someone else? Was it a car you just kinda had thrust upon you? Was it a car that you really weren't all that excited about at all? Do you have a spare car? If you answered "yes" to all of the above, then go right ahead, although again, the lotto ticket analogy is a poor one. Instead, sell the car on Craigslist for whatever cash you can get and utilize that money for a down payment for a new car that will be a massive upgrade on that other car you really didn't invest in at all but also didn't really want

An LT who never saw the field under McDermott and a QB & WR they inherited. The reason they can see it as house money is because they hadn't invested in any of those guys and, if anything, probably felt hamstrung by them. So not only did they unload them, they unloaded them for valuable draft capital. For the same reason I'm sure Jerry Hughes is still in play. Yes, I'll live with it, even if it's Allen, who I really don't want, because I'll trust that he's the guy McBeane truly believe in. #processtrusted

Right, at which point we can go out and spend for a couple big time FAs, which can hopefully balance out any extra draft picks we might need to give away for next year.

Jets actually overpaid by roughly 23%, if you're using the chart and accounting for the fact that the 2nd rounder in 2019 is roughly equal to a 3rd rounder this year. I'm pretty sure that's how they do it. If the Giants are saying exact value as what the Jets gave the Colts, we could probably just throw in our 1st next year. I really don't think that it'll take BOTH our 1st and 2nd next year ALONG WITH both 1sts this year, a 2nd and the 1st pick in round 3. I really also don't think Gettleman will necessarily operate that way because of both the relationship he has with McDermott and the fact that you start reaching ridiculousness territory at that point. Not really.

Yes... let's just keep waiting until next year's class. Throwing in a 2nd round pick next year doesn't seem all that unreasonable.

Do you seriously think that's a remotely fair comparison comparing playing the lottery to ensuring you draft the QB you want in what's being considered as one of the strongest QB classes in at least the last decade?