transplantbillsfan

Allen has a 5% chance of starting game #1??? Is that what you legitimately believe or are you trolling me here?

Yes... I remember lots of talk of Groy being a potential upgrade on Wood. Dawkins, Bodine, Groy, Miller, Mills... That's what I think our OL will ultimately consist of, with Groy or Bodine being the Center and the other being a Guard. I think our OL will be just fine, honestly.

Okay... so is this you trying to say they've already chosen McCarron as the starter in order to "get ahead?" Not trying to be a jerk, I'm just missing your point. Dabol said he has a plan for Allen, maybe that entails Allen starting right away

And...? What point are you trying to make?

This should be OBVIOUS!!! It's weird because a couple posters seem to be twisting my words so that I believe Allen should start no matter what and that, in fact, couldn't be further from the truth. I believe McDermott (not Joe Shmoe TBD message board guy) should make the decision to start the guy McDermott (not Joe Shmoe TBD message board guy) watches every day this offseason through OTAs/Minicamp/Training Camp/Preseason on the team McDermott (not Joe Shmoe TBD message board guy) knows the ins and outs of in terms of weaknesses by position and has coached for a year and will be coaching this year ONLY IF HE FEELS JOSH ALLEN 1) Wins the QB competition 2) Gives the team the best opportunity to win 3) Won't get destroyed in his rookie year physically, mentally or emotionally due to an unmitigated lack of sufficient NFL talent surrounding him If those 3 benchmarks aren't met, I don't think McDermott will start Allen and I don't think he should. But the fact that the biggest argument for not starting him and keeping him on the bench is #3 is, to me, pretty revealing, because I think #3 is the least likely to be the deciding factor. Seems a lot of the people who voted "McCarron" also believe Allen will be the best QB this offseason, but our OL and WRs suck too much. I think our WRs are already better than last year just with a healthy Benjamin and our OL simply swapped Wood and Incognito for Groy and Bodine. Considering how much there have already been undercurrents among fans to see Groy replace Wood and Bodine is an NFL starter, plus John Miller and the 5th round G we drafted from Iowa along with an improved Dawkins... I think our OL very well might improve significantly from last year. But Allen is mobile and elusive, anyway, which might be better for an average OL. But these are McDermott's decisions to make, not Joe Shmoe TBD message board guy. Personally, I just believe McDermott (not Joe Shmoe TBD message board guy), being the guy who will be watching Allen compete in practice against one QB who he watched last year be one of the worst QBs in the history of the NFL for his 1st start and end the season with one of the worst noodle-armed passes I've ever seen and another QB who has 4 career starts and 170 NFL passes who Beane and McDermott thought so highly of they waited until day 3 of Free Agency to sign him and fill a position they were clearly bent on upgrading on in the draft, will watch those 2 guys fall short and Allen will be the clear winner. That's all. That's actually how I feel. It's not me trolling or having a laugh, as someone accused me of earlier.

Definitely NOT trolling OR trying to have fun at the expense of others.

That's smart. But what's your prediction?

So keep the NFL QB away from the NFL defenses? If Allen isn't ready or isn't the winner of the QB competition, don't play him. But the notion that we just have to keep him away from the big bad Ravens and Chargers so that we can ease him into seeing an NFL defense no matter how much he impresses in the offseason is just silly.

Well you should just find a way to get McDermott to bubble wrap Allen for a couple years I guess so he doesn't have to be traumatized by an NFL defense and can really shine in 2020

We're going to the playoffs again... whoever starts. This time, 10+ wins.

Agreed. And I know it's way too early, but that's what makes it fun If we started predictions after preseason game 1 or something and everyone predicted Allen because Allen looked better for the entire Summer, it's no longer really a prediction, more of a "Thanks Captain Obvious" statement.

Now this is the kinda mentality I Love! http://www.wivb.com/sports/inside-the-buffalo-huddle/allen-excited-to-compete-against-bills-secondary/1199109623# Allen excited to compete against Bills secondary “They’re jumping on balls now. We’ve got guys that are fantastic players -- Micah Hyde, [Jordan] Poyer, and then you’ve got a vet like Vontae Davis out there and he’s pushing our receivers to be better and making sure that, as quarterbacks, we’re putting the ball where it needs to be. “Iron sharpens iron. That’s kind of the mindset that, when you’re practicing, you should have. You should be able to look across to the guy next to you and the guy that you’re competing with and say, ‘I’m going to make you better, you’re going to make me better’ and go at it like that.”

I like TBD so much more than I did BBMB, but one thing I think BBMB had right that this forum gets wrong is that there isn't a separate forum for "all things NFL" from "Bills talk only" so that everyone else doesn't need to be subjected to even seeing some of the ridiculous discussions unfolding that aren't even related to the present Buffalo Bills. You guys need to move on. Why do you devote so much damn time talking about if Tyrod is named the starter for the Browns or loses the starting job for the Browns? Are you people NFL or NBA fans? If you're NFL fans, you care more about the name on the front of the jersey than on the back... Tyrod's no longer a Buffalo Bill... he plays for a different team.

I'd have to fly 250+ miles over to Puna on the Big Island (the only active volcano in the Hawaiian island chain) to get to the lava. Anyone see GoBills808 on here recently? Last I knew he lives there.

It's been 22 years since we had a bona fide Franchise QB. People are excited. Maybe we'll be disappointed down the road... but... for now... Let it happen...

This kinda stuff from Fairburn excites me!!! Josh Allen's day Josh Allen was the most impressive quarterback on the field Thursday. By my count, he attempted to 21 passes and only three hit the ground. Some were of the shorter variety, but Allen was ripping some deeper throws as well. He hit Austin Proehl on an impressive throw to the sideline outside the numbers. His two touchdowns were the highlights, though. Allen ripped an in-breaking route over a defender and into the hands of fellow rookie Ray-Ray McCloud for a touchdown. Later in practice, he hit Travaris Cadet in the end zone for a back-shoulder touchdown. If the idea of putting him with the third team was to build his confidence. it might be working. Yes yes yes yes... I understand it's just OTAs

No, Tolbert sucked between the tackles last year, too, just less so than those ridiculous wide sweeps. No, it's because he has one of the weakest NFL arms I've ever seen and yet, for some reason, a gunslinger's mentality, which is the worst combination you could probably have for an NFL QB.

pffffft... arteries???? Who cares about those things???? Bacon... mmmmmmmmmmmm ? Doesn't that just mean he's here as another username?

Yes, I think he will

Sounds similar to Big Ben's rookie year as far as suggestions to Dabol: heavy lean on the run game and play-action and it forces a focus on footwork and takes some of the weight off Allen's shoulders in year 1 of learning. Win Win!

It seems pretty ignorant to imply the guy with 4 starts and 170 passing attempts would have beaten out the guy with 113 starts and 3,700 passing attempts had the Head Coach made it an open competition. Andy Dalton's not a great QB... he's what I would say is a borderline Franchise QB, but looking at what that Franchise was before he arrived and then 5 consecutive playoff appearances once he arrived combined with an incredibly limited sample size from McCarron, it's bordering on foolish to insinuate that McCarron would have beaten Dalton out if Marvin Lewis just let him try.

Seriously... it's not remotely like the Colosseum in Oakland. Just keep making upgrades at Rich Stadium/The Ralph/New Era!

Might be. Might not. I think, as of right now, the best guy will start, too, but it's not McCarron. I think those 4 years on the bench in a completely different offense with 3 NFL starts and about 130 meaningful NFL pass attempts aren't going to give him the leg up on the guy who's more talented as a QB, bigger, more athletic and smarter that you think it will.

You would say wrong, pretty clearly. Unless you're an idiot, you can't find 4 bad games for Taylor in the stretch of Cincy, Tampa, Oakland, NYJ and NO. You're probably one of the guys spending time in the Taylor hate thread right now. Pretty sad. Just let go. I still say that, as reported from sources within, McDermott had his hands tied by Dennison, who wanted Taylor benched because he believed (incorrectly, obviously) that Peterman would be better in his offense.