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Well gee... ya don't say Shady... why I've never seen you beat a dead horse with you're beat a dead horse awards before

Herein lies the 3 years of argument over Tyrod Taylor. Very few QBs in the NFL truly "elevate" their teams in the way you're describing. Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Big Ben are probably the only ones who do it with any consistency. Most NFL starting QBs need their NFL offensive teammates to be consistently playing to an NFL starting level. (And I'll disregard the negative connotations of the word "mediocre" you used for Taylor and accept it for it's literal meaning--that Taylor was a middle of the road QB, which is precisely what he was for 3 years) That wasn't what happened in 2017 for the Buffalo Bills, with the exception of Shady, of course. So OBD is taking the approach of swinging for the fences with Allen, hoping he turns into the Brady/Brees/Rodgers/Big Ben of tomorrow. It's a gamble, but while the risk is there, the reward is very high. That approach is the reason Tyrod is gone.

Yep... our weapons in 2017 absolutely sucked... and I thought our weapons in 2016 sucked... but damn, we had backup talent almost across the board to throw to. WRs and weapons in 2015 pretty good WRs and weapons in 2016 not so good, probably below average to awful at least half the year WRs and weapons in 2017 below average to awful the whole year What'd we say about Taylor regressing from 2015-2017... wait...

He was being virtually 100% of the offense for those 3 quarters, just like he continued to be for the 4th quarter, gaining 190+ yards and passing for a TD behind an offensive line that couldn't block and passing to the likes of Deonte Thompson, Nick O'leary, Say Jones, Logan Thomas, and Jordan Matthews.

Yes, the 17 years without playoffs was a very frustrating time in Buffalo. But Tyrod gave us a few exciting years at the end of that frustrating time and then helped lead us out of the darkness and into light, ending the longest playoff drought in sports. Taylor is no Franchise QB, but he's the best we had in Buffalo for 17+ years. So go get 'em in Cleveland Tyrod... hope you're more appreciated there

Just an absolutely stupid post

I still think Allen will eventually win it, but good thing McCarron is looking good https://www.google.com/amp/s/billswire.usatoday.com/2018/06/07/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-sean-mcdermott-first-team/amp/ Sean McDermott open to giving Josh Allen first-team reps: 'It's a fluid situation' This may lead one to believe that McDermott feels as though a veteran quarterback will give the Bills the best chance to win in 2018. It could also mean that he won’t be afraid to start Allen in the 2018 season if he’s ahead of the curve. The coach further explained that Allen is not going to be fast-tracked, stating that there’s a plan in regard to Allen’s development. “It’s early in our process here. We’ve got a plan and we’ve got to stick with it,” McDermott said. “That doesn’t mean we don’t listen and keep our to the ground and our eyes peeled for what’s going on and then adjust accordingly. That’s important. But the important part right now is that we develop a strong foundation and that’s what we’re doing.”

Well this'd make a helluva lotta sense considering his familiarity with Dabol and how much the offense we're supposedly going to run relies on WR/TE/RB knowledge.

Oh holy hell... did you legitimately just brag about ignoring me and then directly quote me in the same post?! Shady, you're too funny. I'm so glad your rep is so high

Exactly... those are literally the only 2 moves that would mean anything at all.

Amen brotha!!!

As Buffalo716 said... I think it's an upper vs lower body issue. If it's lower body that's fine but upper body is off, you aren't a natural passer and look uncomfortable throwing anything... ala EJ Manuel If it's upper body that's fine but lower body issue off, you learned the basic fundamentals of throwing very young and just need to tweak the lower body footwork stuff that's fixable because it's learned at a later age... ala Josh Allen

It's OTAs... the 1st team reps thing will really start mattering in Training Camp. McDermott already said Allen might get some 1st team reps in Minicamp and that "they have a plan." I'm sure part of that plan will really involve our starting QB earning the job.

Wow... this must be the weenie way of conceding that you were mistaken because you sure have been running in circles right before your mad dash to the hills. If anyone made an assumption, alas, it was you. But this was fun

Here I'll spell it out for you: You argued with Hokie about rankings of QBs and him having Tyrod >>> Jameis You argued "trends matter" and made a simplistic claim that "Tyrod sank down the list while Jameis stayed right around 18 or 19" and then smugly said "thanks" as if your point was proven. It wasn't. In 2015 Jameis was throwing to Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson, & Austin Sefarian-jenkins while Taylor was throwing to Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, & Charles Clay. Relatively comparable weapons, though I don't think many would argue Taylor's weapons were better. Still, Taylor was better. We progress to 2017 where Jameis is throwing to Mike Evans, Deshaun Jackson, & OJ Howard while Taylor's throwing to Zay Jones, Deonte Thompson, & Charles Clay. I dare you to try typing that those weapons are even remotely comparable with a straight face. Yet, Taylor and Winston were in the same ball park comparatively. If you care about trends, note the trend of who these guys were throwing to. Winston always had at least one pro bowl WR. Taylor often threw to scrubs. The reason I brought Mayfield up had nothing to do with saying Taylor is more talented than him. It's that the 2 will presumably have the same weapons and so, at that point, your statement of comparison can be put to the test. Understand?

Have you been following your own conversation? If so, you should be able to figure it out. Your statement that "#1 picks have more talent than sixth rounders" was tangential to what you were talking about with that other poster. The points I made had to do with the actual point you were discussing, which was not talent of a 1st rounder vs talent of a 6th rounder. Figure it out. Or maybe you already did but you've figured out it's not a solid argument so you're trying to steer the conversation in a different direction to save face. But I did not say and do not believe Taylor has more talent than Mayfield, who is the QB I wanted most in this draft.

BringBackOrton has reading comprehension problems. Wow. Saved.

Well, he's the anointed starter ahead of the #1 overall pick this year, so I guess that'll be a good point of comparison for this really solid argument you've made here

2015 primary WRs/TEs Bucs- Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson, Austin Sefarian-jenkins Bills- Sammy Watkins, Robert Wood's, Charles Clay 2016 primary WRs/TEs Bucs- Mike Evans, Adam Humphries, Cameron Brate Bills- Roberts Wood's, Marquise Goodwin, Charles Clay. 2017 primary WRs/TEs Bucs- Mike Evans, Deshaun Jackson, OJ Howard Bills- Zay Jones, Deonte Thompson, Charles Clay #weaponsmatter

Life didn't seem easy for the Raiders, Bucs or Giants last year... all have "Franchise QBs"... supposedly.

The thread itself and the fact that the thread exists is 15 pages deep on a Bills message board with posters who seem to only really be able to post about a QB who hasn't been on our team now for almost 3 full months. There's a poster in here (I think everyone can figure him out pretty easily) who I almost never see on this message board. He has posted literally one time about the 2018 and beyond Buffalo Bills team in his 50 posts. The vaaaaaaaassssttt majority of this guy's posts are about Tyrod Taylor. (That took very little effort, before you make some kinda dumb claim about wasting time doing that) I don't hang out in the past... especially brooding over it like an Eeyore. It's why I don't think it's much use talking about Stevie Johnson, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Aaron Schobel, Trent Edwards, Freddie Jackson, Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, Andy Levitre, Marquise Goodwin, Marshawn Lynch, etc. So, to answer your question, I think this thread and some of the things people are STILL saying in it is absolutely ridiculous, so I match that ridiculousness and raise it with some animation

This is all that needs to be said with regards to Tyrod Taylor and the 2017 Buffalo Bills. It became 100% obvious the moment the bills traded down in the 2017 draft and acquired a 2018 first round draft pick that we were going to be finding our franchise QB in the 2018 draft. It was absolutely obvious at that point. I don't think you would find anyone who didn't say it was absolutely obvious. And it became more obvious every time we acquired a new draft pick. "Ya know, the Bills might draft Watson or Mahomes in this draft... we hear they REALLY like Trubisky." ... "Oh, they traded down, didn't take a QB in the 1st, and acquired a 1st round pick in next year's class, which we already think will be pretty strong???" Traded Sammy acquired a 2nd. Traded Darby acquired a 3rd. Traded Glenn to move from 21 to 12. Taylor isn't a Bill in 2019, and the primary isn't his play, which was good enough for a team drowning in the longest playoff drought in sports (and yes, Taylor was undeniably an important contributor to that playoff run), it's the fact that the Bills got an offer they couldn't refuse, an offer that would ultimately catapult them into even stronger contention to trade up in an upcoming draft to get a QB in a class that, over almost a year of playing out at that point, was turning out to be as strong, if not stronger than it appeared it would be a year ago when the 2017 draft happened and we made an obvious long-game decision. Taylor is gone because the 2018 QB class was stronger than expected and, more importantly, the Bills got a REALLY valuable pick for him. Otherwise, he's still in Buffalo.

Boy... so basically temper your expectations for the offense itself. What exactly does this writer think our expectations are? Did he see this offense last year??? Yeah... I'll maintain my expectations that the offense will improve, thank you very much.

Have people been saying our D would be lights out this year??? We all know Lorax and Kyle are slowing down but still steady. Shaw has been a bust thus far. Hughes hasn't been stellar for a couple years. Our other 2 LBs are inexperienced but talented. All those are big question marks. Our secondary should be excellent. All that said, McDermott is a defensive HC, so I suspect a lot of his time and effort goes to them and, once again, our D carries us into the postseason

Imagine if Joseph McCarthy had Twitter and social media back then. My God we're a different country at this point. McCarthy was so much smarter than 45. It's just too bad it was the perfect storm to get him into office.