BullBuchanan

I develop various forms of computer technology now, but grew up on a farm and worked in a publicly facing family business, a gun range, and retail. I fail to see how that makes any difference. The defense they always use is they were scared. You think a cop should be able to kill someone that spits on them?

The last time it happened.

See, it's very simple - don't attack citizens. That doesn't mean it's easy. However, it's a job, not a hobby. They're supposed to be paid professionals and the best of the best. If they can't handle it, find a different line of work. Farmers do a far more dangerous job than the police do, and they manage to do it without shooting the tractor because they were afraid.

1. Stop shooting and/or killing unarmed people Once we get that one solved I can provide you with the rest of the points.

Infinite? It's Called "Civil Service", not "Civil Monarchy." If the police are afraid enough of a rampant bottle throwing epidemic, then there are plenty of other jobs where they would be less afraid. I'm tired of hearing about how police commit violent acts because they're scared. The video evidence shows otherwise. Police are violent because they enjoy it. They're violent because their OFFICIAL Training is called "Killology" To be certain, Random Cop A is not required to have the judgement to handle this large of a crowd, but their LTs, Captains, and Police Commissioners are trained for this exact thing. It's a failure of police leadership, just as the assault, killings, and abductions are.

What? You're not making any sense. I would stand there, because it would literally be my job. Of course I wouldn't murder, assault, or kidnap people either, so I don't think it would get to that point. There are tons of examples of what happens when cops approach protesters peacefully - everyone gets along and things stay peaceful. Unfortunately in many of those same examples, the cops turn around and teargas the people they just shook hands with after they get their photo op. When cops show up in riot gear with chemical weapons and use kettling tactics, they're looking for a fight. I already shared several examples of cops starting unprovoked riots or shooting peaceful people.

So, when this happens someone instigates, and the police respond by escalating matters shooting into crowds and starting a riot. The police aren't paid to escalate situations. They're supposed to be trained to de-escalate them. Instead what happens is someone throws a bottle, the police shoot into the crowd "in self defense" and then the crowd erupts "in self defense" of the violence that was just committed on them. It's a cycle that they could have prevented. They're the ones with chemical weapons, guns, riot gear, and qualified immunity. Martin Gugino didn't throw any bottle at the Buffalo Police before they put him in the ICU for a month. Brad Levi Ayala was just standing on a beam when Austin police shot him in the head David McAtee, a local business owner, was leaving a convenience store next to his business when the national guard shot him dead and left his body in the sun for 16 hours. I mean there are dozens and dozens of similar examples https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2020/07/20/new-video-shows-tampa-police-attacking-peaceful-protesters-on-july-4

Don't you think the "anarchy and violence" would stop if police stopped attacking people? Any chance that the claim there is rampant "anarchy and violence" is blowing this way out of proportion?

I didn't watch it. Like i said, it's a network proven to repeatedly lie. It's how Glenn Beck made his whole living. Except when police kill them, assault them, or abduct them because they "deserved it"? Do you think the kettling tactics by the police in Seattle is ok?

Why is the fact check BS?

Because we whataboutismed our way there. Apparently calling someone a marxist is enough to discredit anything they ever say as wrong, according to some here. We could have ignored that, but instead we explored it and went on to prove why that's not a valid excuse.

Unless we're talking about being assaulted, killed or abducted by police. Then they still matter, but not as much as the police. lots of "unfortunate" incidents.

No, but it's part of it. I don't advocate for going all the way to "the dream" , but I do see many positive aspects of Social Democracy on our society and others, and would generally favor something closer aligned to Market Socialism.

Half? Is it not valid to protest because you don't like the police? Is that not their constitutional right? I don't like the police either. BTW, Blaze is a propaganda network, not a news source : https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-blaze/

I gave you everything you asked for and you promptly ignored it or spun it to fit your narrative, as predicted. "yea well, they deserved it."

Protesters. What do you describe as the difference between an innocent person accused of no crime being "abducted" vs "apprehended and taken away"? This is false in the cases I documented. Most of the people abducted are never even charged with a crime. If you claim different I want sources. otherwise your statement is a lie.

Do you think it's possible that police have aligned with far-right groups? So, you're saying she deserved it?

But you think it's ok to abduct and assault people that have a different opinion than you, i.e protesters?

You do understand these aren't "paintballs" you used when you were a kid right? Police shot this guy int he head with a tear gas canister. they are using non-lethal weapons to try to harm people: Cops bragging: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/florida-police-video-black-lives-matter-protests-rubber-bullets-a9598361.html?jwsource=cl

A bunch of folks here would probably have their worldview shattered if they knew the founding fathers were big time fan-girls of Thomas More's Utopia, Including Jefferson, Adams and Madsion: https://scholarlycommons.pacific.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1009&context=utopia500

So, they "deserved it" then?

I guess some fascists don't think they're bad people after all

People shot on porch: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/minneapolis-police-national-guard-paintball-shooting-porch-a9541016.html Police Shooting First responders (I have plenty more): https://www.kut.org/post/they-shot-all-us-austin-medic-recalls-weekend-police-violence-amid-peaceful-protests Feds abducting people without warrant, crime, or explanation on "suspicion of crimes": https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-use-unmarked-vehicles-to-grab-protesters-in-portland Police attack australian journalists; More journalists attacked: Police intentionally aiming to kill with "less lethal" munitions: https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/austin-teen-hospitalized-with-head-injury-after-police-shoot-him-with-bean-bags-at-protest "The lead medic with Austin Street Medics immediately ran up to the front to go to this boy, and she put her hands up, she did the cross in front of her face. That was the sign, like, 'Hey, I'm a medic.' She has her medic shirt on. She has all her stuff showing that says she's a medic, and they shot her," Brake said. "They shot her in the hands that she was using to protect her face."" Don't pull your back trying to defend this.

It's almost like it happens in stages and you don't just wake up after a coup no one saw coming and now you live in a one party authoritarian regime.

Not to me. To me it's a symptom of disease. If that threat goes away nothing is solved. We're still living under a fascist regime.