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I would have picked Likely for offense. Dude was an absolute beast. The called back touchdown probably cost him.

Von had two good snaps that I saw. The bull rush and another where he got pressure. i still need to see A LOT more for me to want him to be anything more than a 5th/6th DE. Odd, because I have thought of Groot as a Kelsay type player thus far - very good against the run and a run of the mill pass rusher. He had an awesome game that included 15% of his career sacks. He hasn't exactly been DeMarcus Ware. If he gets 7 more sacks across the next 16 games do you want to pay him like a top 10 DE?

Yikes. I thought he did his job and looked solid, but I would never have said he was "one of the best players on the field". It's true he had his side locked down most of the game, but he wasn't challenged at all. He spent most of the day fending off a 5th round rookie and a 7th year journeyman with 14 career sacks. I definitely didn't see anything that would classify him as a "manimal". He wasn't out there blowing people off the line or running them over. He just did his job.

No doubt he was the primary cause there, as I already said earlier in the thread, but to completely discount the fact the brown ran into Josh's running lane, maybe even clipped him, and his man recovered a fumble is a bit much to sweep under the rug.

I'm not sure how they score him 100% when he was a big part of the strip sack

I'm not sure a franchise RT exists. If they do, not sure I want one. Morgan Moses graded out higher than Spencer Brown last year and makes 5M. Trent Brown did as well and makes under 5M. Draft a rookie and grab a vet.

Now the 8th highest paid RT in the league - absolutely insane contract. Beane continues to bend himself over a barrel in very contract negotiation.

I did it for you since apparently it was too hard.

You should read the next sentence you conveniently omitted. Context matters.

It wasn't the most elegant statement but it's completely true. If Murray was going through his reads based on The playcall and defensive looks, and it just so happened that MJH wasn't a top read a large portion of the game, then that's what I want my QB to do. It's what i wish Josh would have done more of the last few years instead of always looking for a home run.

I'm not arguing semantics at all. I'm arguing that if Diggs catches that ball, then this whole agenda from certain members of the board doesn't exist. Meanwhile, Josh had a pretty similar situation at the end of the game where if he makes a play, we win. If he doesn't, we lose. He didn't and we lost. I'm not saying it was solely his fault we lost the game, and I'm not even arguing it to the point that people are about Diggs' drop. Facts are facts There were a ton of factors that went into us losing last year (injuries, defensive personnel & scheme), but at the end of the day Josh had the ball at the KC 26 on 2nd down with under 2 minutes to go and he didn't get it done. You want to act like if Diggs wasn't here we win that game? Ok. I think it's ridiculous.

You're the one who said: "He didn’t produce when we needed him most. For whatever reasons, it doesn’t matter. We need our best players to produce in the playoffs. He didn’t." That's pretty much the book on JA in the playoffs outside of the 13 seconds game. We needed him to run out the clock and score a TD against KC - he didn't do it. We needed him to show up and lead the team against the Bengals - he didn't do it. Look, I think he's the 2nd best QB in football overall, but if you want to judge a player solely on how they perform "when we need them the most" and trade everyone who doesn't have monster games every time, then you're the one saying that about Allen, not me.

I imagine more people than I will if the Texans outperform us in January.

Except again, there are tons of "big games" where they did both produce, you just wanted to omit those because they were victories against playoff teams you viewed as inferior. I'm already prepared for a narrative at the end of this year where we'll blame a lack of weapons for our inability to get the job done when this scenario was one of our own creation. Maybe the "Diggs was the problem" crowd will get lucky and injuries or a defensive meltdown will be the reason instead - can't wait to find out.

I mean, he has a sub 87 passer rating in every playoff loss outside of 13 seconds and in half of his total playoff games, so if you take @Alphadawg7 argument that only the losses matter because the stats against loser teams like NE and Pittsburgh don't matter, then the argument that Josh is a great playoff QB doesn't hold up to that metric. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02/gamelog/post/

ok. seems you ended this conversation with the perspective you walked in with. Hope that was fun for you. Are you going to apply that same philosophy to Allen?

I'd prefer to look at all of his stats, not just selecting ones that support an agenda. I also like to look at the context around events that happened, not just stats. Diggs had a poor game against KC - not defending it Cincinnati game was a dumpster fire that was the worst playoff performance of Josh's career. He missed a wide open Diggs target for a big gainer and possible TD early in the game and didn't target him later when he was open in the endzone - instead throwing to a heavily covered Davis. He was open constantly. Against KC in 2021 - he had two big third down catches for 1st downs, but other than that, it seemed mostly like game script. They used the middle of the field a lot to beasley, and Davis erupted for 200 yards and 4tds. Not sure you can fault a guy for underperforming when his teammates go 14/261/4. Against KC in 2020 he had a solid game with several important first downs, and Josh missed him on several critical plays for a bigger day. It's certainly not a resume that jumps off the page, but it's also not worthy of the scapegoating agenda that's so prevalent around here.

Can't throw himself the ball. If he could, we don't get sent home by KC last year. He dropped a pass he should have caught, no doubt. Ignoring him later cost us our season.

Why don't the wins matter?

Why would you say things that have never been true when anyone can just look up that you're completely incorrect? Diggs played in 9 postseason games for the Bills. He had 3 monster games, 3 solid games and 3 duds: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DiggSt00/gamelog/post/ Tyreek hill, considered by many to be the best WR in the league has only had 4 monster games across 15 total playoff games vs 14 for Diggs. Adams had 4 across 11 games with 2 real stinkers in playoff loses. WRs don't dominate every game against elite competition. As for Digg's "does not jump or fight for the football" - laughably untrue. When he had weaker QB play, he was considered a contested catch specialist. He was #1 in the league in 2017 and #2 in 2018, in 2020 he led the league in catches against single coverage with 58. As of now, he has the most receptions in the league since 2020. It's like you guys developed complete amnesia that he was one of the top WRs in the NFL after one dropped pass. It's insane. https://www.nfl.com/videos/collinsworth-in-awe-of-diggs-grip-strength-on-contested-catch

Meanwhile, Diggs' "nonsense"

McGovern's man got the strip sack on Allen. I mostly blame Allen on the play though as he had forever to get rid of the ball and was irresponsible with it. McGovern did look out of place a few other times,but I generally thought he was ok.

Glad he was cut and even more glad he isn't here now. I'm more concerned about our 6th receiver than I am about some punter.

I think the point that matters is that investment is a major opportunity cost. Let's say that happens and he's the very best RT in the league. If Coleman and Shakir both break out and you have to let one go so you can pay Spencer Brown, was it worth it? The amount of money you can spend is fixed. You have to choose what players you give veteran contracts to, and which you replace with rookies. Personally, I'm saving most of my money for good to elite players at critical positions, spending most of the rest on quality players on the defensive front 7 and oline and then I'm rotating in a bunch of younger cheaper guys as depth every year. While offensive line play as a whole is very important, I don't see RT as a critically important part of that. Dion Dawkins is the 6th highest paid LT in the league. If we had Laremy Tunsil, who is #2 or Ronnie Stanley, who is #15 does that have a meaningful impact of our Super Bowl chances? I argue no. Clearly it's important to have competent play, but do I want to pay the extra for top dollar? No way - and LT is far more important than RT.

You're not getting it. The money doesn't matter if the percentage of the cap is the same. If you extend a guy this year, next year someone else will make more. If you sign him next year, he costs more, but you also have more money to spend. The year after that, someone else will make more as well, making his deal look cheaper. Signing a player you aren't sure about to a big money deal just because "it's cheaper now than later" is the completely wrong way to look at it. It's like people who bought houses in cash when interest rates were at 3%. Tomorrow's dollars are always cheaper than today's due to inflation and in the case of the NFL, the ever increasing salary cap. It's better to commit to only your best players, of which he has a long way to go, than to saddle yourself with Knox-esque contracts.