oldmanfan

Someone asks for one other team that built back up from scratch. They get one and then it's all about excuses as to why that wasn't the same as the Bills. I still like Watson. But I think Allen will be fine. And I don't ignore that we have possibly the best young CB in the game.

Cowboys under Johnson.

Well, I obviously disagree overall, but having said that there are criticisms that can be made, and I have made them. I have said that they should have gotten a veteran QB in when they traded McCarron. I don't think it would have changed the progress or record of this season one iota, but it would at least have given Allen a more experienced voice to provide advice. Now, as for the 2017 QB draft, I have said often I would have liked Watson. But we have seen he's struggled a bit more this year, in part due to a terrible O line in front of him. Mahomes? The revisionist history on that one is illuminating. Go back and look at the pre-draft critiques about his footwork, playing in a single read offense, etc. Some of those are ery reminiscent of what was said about Allen. No question Mahomes has shown he's a dynamic young QB, but he also has a lot of weapons around him. All told, I am OK going forward with Allen. WR? They took a shot at some veteran guys, exactly what folks were complaining about. Boldin who retired, Kerley who as far as I know hasn't caught on anywhere. Coleman, which I think was a mistake. Benjamin last year was brought in when they felt they needed a guy to help get them to the playoffs, which they did. They could have taken a shot at Gordon, and probably the only place Gordo works out is NE where Brady and Belichick might have a chance at controlling him , and the jury is out there. So what else?

Hate to say it but this is even more ridiculous than the OP.

They haven't focused on that side of the ball, true. But they have a young QB (what happened to all the folks who kept going on and on that nothing else mattered except drafting a QB?), they have a gut at LT that will be a fixture for a while, and Jones is coming around. So they have their QB and LT, and potential for a solid #2 WR. Especially with LT and QB, those are two positions you have to have on an offense. I will be at the head of the line if they do not focus on the offensive side of the ball this coming off-season. But this idea they can't recognize talent is just over the top whining in my opinion. Let them pick their guys first, then I'll look at it objectively.

Dawkins. Jones is coming around. They have worked the plan to free up cap space and get a bunch of picks. They have that now. So it's on them to use that capital wisely. If they don't they will lose their jobs. If they do we will have a great team. Why does it seem so many folks are rooting for the former vs. the latter?

I was at the game. The play was right in front of me. His head hit hard into the turf. These kind of conspiracy theories are ridiculous.

I anticipate they will use their cap space to go after guys that are under the radar but fit their plan. Like a Hyde or Poyer. They will draft well like they did last year, maybe package some lower round picks to move up a bit. They will add talent to the offense as they did with the defense last year. Not that they will ignore the defense completely (they have a shot at a guy like Bosa they'd be dumb not to grab him), but they know they need to get more offense to help Allen. The assumption that they are too dumb to figure it out is actually what's dumb. They like any other team have their idea what positions they feel are critical, where they want to focus and they will. Lastvdraft they got the young guys they want to lead the O and D. They will continue to build around them. Will they have great talent at all positions using next year's draft and cap space? No. But no team in the league has great talent at every position.

Sure they didn't

Well a ton have folks have reported that. But you believe whatever fits your agenda. I do agree that the blowouts need to stop. My concern is the slow starts, some games they just don't seem ready to go. That is a thing the coach needs to get hold of.

Rex bragged he'd have them winning immediately. And didn't get along with the GM. McDermott gets along with his GM and was clear it would take several years to build what he wants.

He's not getting fired anytime soon. And the constant stuff about this is laughable.

We did. Losman. We picked the wrong one.

Who? And for peanuts? How much?

He is not getting fired. Rant all you want if it makes you feel better

I don't think we could expect a more complex offense Sunday given Anderson was about to weeks in (and sitting there on Sunday I sure wish they would have). I do think they should open it up when Allen gets back on the field. They need to get him and the other young guys time in what Daboll really wants to run. As for all the other crap being written about firing the coach this year, blah, blah, blah, that's just all a bunch of crap made up by people wanting to blow off steam. I am concerned as well that there are games when the team comes out flat for some reason, as they did Sunday. McDermott needs to figure out why his team comes out flat sometimes, but the coach is not getting fired. I think Pegula has learned his lesson in that you cannot continue to just change coaches every couple years, whether it be the Bills or Sabres, and expect better outcomes. For both franchises, they have hired relatively young coaches and GMs that learned their crafts in successful organizations and under successful HCs or GMs. In both cases the guys they hired were well thought of around their respective leagues and on the short list to assume their new positions. Botterill is brining in new talent, more suited to the style of play he and Housley want, and things are turning in the right direction. McDermott and Beane will likewise follow a similar path with the Bills, and they have a lot of cap space and draft picks to do so. Sometimes the coaches and front office personnel can't win around here. For years the Bills have played around .500 ball, somewhere between 6-10 and 9-7. For years folks were saying they need to destroy the roster and start from scratch to build a real contender. For years fans have said the Bills will go nowhere until they draft a QB high in the draft that can be our next long term star at the position. So what have Beane and McDermott done? They got rid of a bunch of guys to get cap space to build it the way they want. They went out and drafted the QB that so many said you have to have to win. And what do we see around now? They shouldn't have been so radical trading guys, they should have kept guy X or guy Y (even though when they were here guy X and guy Y got roasted by the same fans). They can't recognize talent. The QB they took is a bum, as if 5 games is anywhere near enough time to even scratch at whether that has any validity whatsoever. They should have kept the QB from last year that everyone was howling about not being good enough. They should have had all these pieces around Allen like WRs and linemen, forgetting that just a year or so ago the line was that when you have the QB that is the key and he elevates all those around him. I listened a bit on line to the knuckleheads on WGR this morning, yelling and screaming about McD's philosophy, apparently because he said something along the lines of needing a good D and run game in Buffalo. Well, a couple things. First, I read his comments and he said also he'd love to have an offense that scores 50 points a game. And you can add that to Beane saying I don't know how many times pre-draft that you cannot win in the NFL without a QB. I think Bills management is well aware they need a more high powered offense to compete. Second, the high powered offenses in the league now have strong running games as complements. And third as one who has gone to games in Buffalo since 1960, if you don't think you need a strong running game and a guy that can hum the ball through the wind, plus good D, to win the pivotal games in November-January, you haven't watched much Bills football. These are frustrating times in Bills land. The GM and HC can justifiably be criticized for some things,. Not having an Anderson here earlier is one. The lethargy seen at the beginning of games is another. Taking shots on guys like Coleman and losing a pick you would like to have is another example. But they are not getting fired. Nor should they. too many people around here forget that there were 12 playoff teams out of 32 last year, and the Bills were one of them. This year sucks, no question, but off of what McD did last year with a pretty bad roster it is obvious the man can coach. They have a plan, and that plan will take a couple years. If you don't think the Pegulas know that and are willing to give them that time, you're just being reactionary. McDermott and Beane will rise or fall like all other head guys in the NFL rise and fall on: whether their plan to build a winner is successful or not. And it is way, way too early to know that. We'll see how the rest of this year goes, see who they can count on going forward. Tough and unpopular decisions may still be made, like trading Shady. They will have to get the right guys in free agency (personally, I think they will target guys like Hyde and Poyer, a bit under the radar but guys that won't break the bank but be really solid guys). They will have to draft well (and if they don't draft O linemen and receivers, or get some in free agency, I'll be as vocally critical as anyone). They have their young QB and MLB, as well as other young talent. If they supplement them well, it'll work. it's on them to make it so. Until we know whether they made the right decisions, no one is going anywhere. .

Absolutely not

If the OP (or you) doesn't want to know about the history of the Bills, he shouldn't ask a question that involves knowing something about the history of the Bills.

Has this kind of futility been seen? Yes. Many of you are too young to actually know the history of the Bills. Back in the late 6-0's/early 70's they were terrible. In the 80's before Kelly got there. I went to the game yesterday. They stunk. That simple. In the last couple years they've had games where they stunk, then got things back together and won. If you look back at the times I mentioned as a fan you knew they had no chance. Not so with this team.

Was at the game yesterday. Oe simple thought: they stunk. That's all there was to it. Forget this one and regroup for next week.

What lot will folks be in tomorrow morning?

I mean, a lot were short passes. The kind you should hit. But he did which is good.

I think if you watch you'll see overall he was preset much there. That first pass was horrendous of course.

You linked his progress to production by the offense. By omitting the other factors you imply he is the sole problem for the offense. And I doubt you watched every play in detail, because you would not say his progress leads him to just throw interceptions. His accuracy continues to improve as shown in the Texans game.

And defensive mechanisms to bash Allen by some to protect opinions of other guys they preferred????? What everyone should know, anyone that is objective about things, are that: 1. All rookie QBS tend to struggle, even the ones that turn out to be great HOF types. Aikman himself last night talked about how much he struggled as a rookie. 2. As much as folks talk about how it's all having a QB in the league, you have to have other parts such as a functional offensive line and decent receivers. Rookies who are already struggling to adjust to the NFL game have even more trouble doing so when the rest of the team around them is lacking in ability.