oldmanfan

When he needed to, he came through. There’s your answer. He needs to play better overall. I say this repeatedly: the biggest thing for young QBs is to get the game to slow down. It is slowing down for Allen, we certainly saw that in the first three games. Yesterday as I’ve said earlier today the moment was too big for him. At this point in his career at least. When he finally gets he can destroy teams by just taking what’s there and that he doesn’t have to make the home run play every time he’ll be really good. It’s there, we can see it, but he has to stop making two mistakes: holding onto the ball too long when the play isn’t there and taking bad sacks and throwing deep into coverage to try and make a big play. You have ascertainment bias, it’s pretty clear. You decided a while ago Josh won’t be the guy. So when you bring up Jones as a rookie and has a good game, it’s how great Jones was. But when Josh did the same thing against the Vikings last year it’s that it was the WRs and the playcalling. Anything but him playing well. Too bad, I thought you were interested in serious give and take.

Allen came out and destroyed Minnesota in one of his first games, did he not? Young QBs have ups and downs. Jones will too. Allen has a down yesterday. Leading three victories up to yesterday were ups.

No one is happy with the way he played yesterday. And I would wager that Allen feels that way more than anyone. Hopefully that motivates him to fix some of those dumb decisions.

Yep, he's had a couple good games. He also threw a dumb pick 6 late yesterday that could have cost his team the game. And he's 5 years into his career. Yet some want to throw Allen over the side already. I will say yet again today: Allen stunk yesterday. He has to get the dumb throws under control, but having watched what he did the first three games and in the TD drive yesterday, he can do that. It just has to become the norm for him.

Sad, isn't it? I wonder if he'd trade our entire draft to get Winston from the Bucs? That's what he wanted to do when Winston was drafted, after all.

True. I think the game was too big for him yesterday, and he tried to do way too much early. I wish he'd play in the first quarter like he plays in the fourth quarter, and I think he will as time goes on. Good points. and Jackson had a tough day yesterday as well. There's a reason why, with the notable exception of Mahomes, the best QBs in the league are the guys that have had experience.

Don't bother arguing with rober. When we win next week he'll disappear. He only shows up when they lose so he can crow about being some kind of QB expert. Allen stunk yesterday and has to play better. He has to stop making the same mistake with the late ball into coverage. But let's remember he stunk against the best defensive coach in history. He's not the first and won't be the last.

At the time I posted that I didn't care if they won or lost, but someone had to go after Jones and bury him for the cheap hit. Still think that way today.

Excellent write up as always. I can't count the number of times yesterday I yelled two phrases: Get rid of the ball! Stupid mistakes! Josh was bad yesterday, and all we can do is hope he learned a really good lesson from the master in Belichick. The kid has all the potential in the world, and we have seen he can do it, but my exact text to my daughter yesterday was " too big a moment for him right now". When he plays within himself, takes the shorter throws, etc. he looks great, but he reverts to trying to put the entire game on his shoulders and make huge plays down field, tries to buy too much time backing up scrambling. They have to coach that out of him. Stupid mistakes are what killed them yesterday, and not all from Allen. You cannot have a veteran TE take four penalties in such an important game. You cannot have a LT hold when you have a defensive offside that gives you a first down. You cannot allow them to block a punt, someone has to recognize what's happening and either adjust blocking or call time out. You have to have your spotters give the HC better input on challenges so time outs aren't wasted, and so you have challenges when you really can use them. You can't drop passes you should catch. And so on. For the first time in a long time, I think we can say the Bills have enough raw talent on both sides of the ball to compete with New England. But against a Belichick-coached team you cannot make dumb mistakes. We did and it lost the game.

They should throw him out of the league.

Allen has to quit being stubborn. That's really the crux of it. The accuracy thing has been answered this season; he has ben very accurate for the most part, missed a coupele throws like all QBs do but has largely been on target. But he has to get that roll out to the right and chuck it downfield throw out of his repertoire, as he does the keep fading back and throwing while backpedaling trick he does. He is trying to make plays when they aren't there because he's being stubborn. The frustrating thing is on the drives where he has led the team back from being down (like yesterday) or like the opening of the Jets and Giants games, he has it within him to take the shorter throws and move the team down the field. He has it within him to use the team around him. He just has to get over that stubbornness where he thinks he has to do it all. Daboll screaming at him like he did yesterday might work, or maybe a vet like Gore needs to take him to the side and patiently explain how he needs to stop that stuff. If he does we'll be fine.

You don't like someone challenging your takes. Too bad. I get on your stuff because you only come on here to crow when the team does poorly. Because you think it somehow shows your genius in evaluating Qbs. And you're the guy that would have traded the entire draft to get Winston. To me that sows you don't have the knowledge you think you have, and it's beyond irritating when you come on here and pretend you do, only after a loss.

Why exactly were you nowhere to be seen when the team was 3-0, and now only come out after a loss? And I have already said numerous times Allen played bad yesterday. I have no agenda with him.

Just for the heck of it I reviewed some posters' histories. I noted you had no posts about Allen or about the QB play or pretty much any thing about the team the first 3 weeks when they won. And now because they lose to the Pats, and because Allen had a tough outing, all of a sudden you're all over the board commenting on the kid, and how bad he is and so on. And it's not like you were off on an island with no Internet access because during those first three weeks you were on the Politics section pretty regularly. So why do we hide and stay mum when things are good for the team, but jump out and comment when they have a loss? What is the agenda here?

I don't think BB put out a hit on Allen. It was a dirty hit and the guy should have gotten thrown out, but some folks around here take things to an absurd extreme at times. Allen had a bad game yesterday. There is no logical way to deny that. I think the kid will be the guy for years to come, but he has to get it through his head that he doesn't have to win every game by himself, that he has to make a big play to win. At times you see him get that, like in the first three games where he brought them back, and yesterday in the TD drive where he took what the defense gave him. But he also tries to do too much, as we saw in the first half yesterday. If I were Daboll I would have him do nothing but watch Brady films to get when to throw it away, when to check down, etc.

I'm happy where we are right now. The defense is dominant. Allen has had ups and downs as I expected he would as a young second year QB. I like his moxie in brining the team back in fourth quarter drives, I don't like seeing him makes the same type of mistakes each game - he has to show he's learning from past errors soon. I think the O line play has been spotty, but anticipate improvement as the season progresses. Special teams also are spotty. I anticipate a playoff berth based on what I've seen so far.

Sorrry you think you're some QB expert that only shows his face around here when there's a loss.

Of course he gets an F yesterday. He has to play better and quit making the big mistakes.

This entire board is not in apologist mode and to say so is beyond absurd. Many here, including myself, have pointed out that he played bad yesterday, and that he has got to start playing smarter and not make the same mistake over and over.

Says the supposed QB expert who wanted to trade an entire draft for Winston.

Brilliant call by Belichick. Our young ST coach got outmanuevered there.

The challenges yesterday were dubious at best. He has work to do there, starting with whoever in the booth is advising him to make the challenges in the first place. as for the decision to go for it vs. kick the FG, absolutely the right call. You're playing the best D in the league; you have to take the shot to go ahead right there. No guarantees you're getting back there again and to do what? Kick another FG just to tie?

And they will have tough games as well. Will you be on here saying that when they do? Because all young QBs will have their ups and downs.

Agreed. With the defense at the level they're playing they'll be in every game. We have to hope Josh continues his development, get Singletary back on the filed, and they should be good to go.

Yeah, you have no idea if that's true. We will see how things go.