oldmanfan

The guy hasn’t played for weeks. Nsekhe needs some reps. Complaining just to complain

Ahem...

We disagree. All calls against the Bills are not bad calls.

Watch the replay. Definite shoulder but the helmet did ride up and contact the other guy’s.

It wasn’t blatant but the helmets hit

You're Seeing what you want to see

Sorry Scott replay showed helmet to helmet

Textbook launching call. Can’t argue that one

I think Josh comes out too pumped up sometimes. Scripting the first 15 plays worked well for Walsh; maybe we should try it.

Why should the rest of this board or the Bills care if you’re bored? Why do you think you have to continually bring this up in thread after thread? The Bills are in the playoffs. Try not being bored about that.

Ok boys, let’s matriculate the ball down the field! And don’t get hurt!

I agree Daboll sometimes oversimplifies and telegraphs things too much. I’d love to know what percentage of plays are as called vs. changed by Allen at the line.

Why don’t you provide us all with an exact definition of the following: 1. Conservative 2. Great

And there you go. Hijacking threads with your same old crap. You are not the the only person on this board, your opinion is not the only one that matters around here, and the only thing upsetting to me about 300 yards passing is that you continue to latch onto that as if it means anything when literally dozens of people have pointed out it means nothing in terms of wins and losses. I love watching good defense and running. Teams that do those well are generally successful. And football is about winning games. It is not to meet your definition of entertainment. I’ve said before and will say again if you want to be entertained go to a movie. The rest of us want the Bills to win.

Classic thread. Ask a leading question, get numerous answers showing why you might be wrong, then either refuse to accept the answer or change the question.

Love Jim but can’t agree here. When you only have 10 some greats get left off. When they called the last name I thought it would be Young but Marino had some of the greatest years ever by a QB. And the older guys? Sammy Baugh changed the position. Otto Graham won so many championships. Unitas doesn’t need to be argued at all.

some great work here.

Mahomes is the real deal. But it doesn't matter, because Andy Reid will figure out yet another way to mess his team up so they don't win in the playoffs.

There have been more than a few posts recently about the Bills offense, how they are not playing "exciting" football, how the lack of X number of yards passing is so terrible, how the young QB can't be trusted to become a true franchise guy unless he throws for X number of yards, etc., etc., etc. I want to counter that by speaking to what I consider exciting football. As you can tell from my user name, I am old school. I believe that, since the time the game of football was invented, football was intended to be physical. To this day, football games are won by imposing your will physically on your opponent. Which is why I love good defense. I find well executed defense exciting. When I see someone like an Edmunds or Milano get into the hole and bury a ball carrier, that's exciting (which is why last game when they didn't get that done well made the game less exciting). When I see Phillips or Oliver shed a blocker and bury a guy at the LOS, that's exciting. Or when a QB goes down to a well executed pass rush or blitz, that's exciting. I believe that when you have a strong defense, it ensures you will always have a shot in games. You won't ever get blown out, and you give your offense and special teams the opportunity to make plays. A well executed defensive play, a great open field tackle, those to me are as exciting as hitting a long pass. Because to me that's the essence of football. I was there at the Rockpile the day we won our first AFL championship. You can go through all the OJ runs, all the Super Bowl years, all the offensive explosions, but to me the signature play in the history of the Buffalo Bills will always be the Hit Heard Round the World. The Bills AFL championship teams had the best defense of that generation, I believe, including the NFL teams. And whet they shut out the Chargers on the road in '65 to win their second championship? Damned exciting. No, what about running the ball? Again, that's about physically dominating your opponent at the LOS, what football is meant to be about. Someone (you probably can guess who) made the absurd statement recently that watching OJ wasn't "exciting". I had seasons with my parents during the OJ era, and to watch that man run? To this day watching him do his thing live was the most exciting thing I've ever seen on a football field. And he could not have done that without the Electric Company. To watch guys like Joe D and Reggie just dominate their opponents, and open holes? Exciting to be sure. Real honest to God football. Over the years we've had the opportunity to watch some great runners in Bills uniforms. Cookie back in the day with Bemiller and Barber and the boys paving the way. Joe Cribbs. Travis Henry. And of course Thurman running behind Hull and Ritcher and the boys. It's been a privilege to watch that kind of football. So to me, watching this season, watching Josh Allen take off, or fighting like hell to get that one yard on the fourth and 1 last game? That to me is exciting football. Watching Singletary burst through a crack in the line to pick up yards? Exciting. That's what football is all about. That and keeping the other guy from doing the same thing. I have nothing against passing. I understand the rules have been altered over the years to favor passing and I, like I'm sure everyone else did, jumped up and cheered when we hit the long pass to Brown last game. But hitting that long pass didn't ultimately win the game for us. What has won 10 games for this team this season has been what I consider exciting football: strong defense, good running game, and a young QB that has cut down on mistakes and can make plays not only with his legs but in crunch time with his arm. And you want to talk exciting? What is more exciting than winning a close game in the fourth quarter, a game where your defense has kept you in it and allowed you to win in the end? So give me defense. Give me running. And as our young QB continues to develop, give me more passing, sure. So long as we are not piling up yardage because our defense has fallen apart and we are playing catch up all day. Give me a strong defense, coupled with the ability to run the ball successfully and a passing game to complement those, and I'll show you a successful team. A team with a 10-5 record and that made the playoffs A team that can take on all comers. That's my definition of exciting football. I don't intend to post threads after thread, or hijack others, to make my point. I just wanted to express it one time here.

Assuredly

Damn. Duby was one of the best. Met him at autograph day and just a really nice guy. Prayers to the family.

It's only a flesh wound. We'll call it a draw!

Internet message boards? What's that?

There is a common misconception on this board that a second year QB should be done progressing and improving. That's just misguided at best. Having a young QB in year two be all that he will ever be is rare. For every Mahomes you see, there are a dozen who have not reached full potential yet, or that catch fire the first year or two and then regress. If you are going to throw Allen out already, then you are going to throw out Mayfield and Darnold, because they struggle at times as well. You would have thrown out a guy like Kelly back in the day. Or Favre. Or Aikman. Or a whole lot of QB's that went on to become good to great. In evaluating Allen, what you want to ask is whether he is showing progression. And he is; no objective appraisal of the kid would say otherwise. His completion percentage is up over last year for those who obsess on that. He is throwing a lot less picks than last year. He is cutting own on the really stupid, throw back across the field throws (my personal issue I had with him; can't say how many times I screamed at the TV Don't throw that pass!!). But he has improvements to make. He needs to be more precise in throwing; get the ball to a precise spot that allows more YAC. He still needs to improve on pre-snap recognition and getting the ball out quicker on hot reads (although some of that is designing plays to give him the hot read). He needs to protect the ball more when he runs and cut down on fumbles. He needs to continue improving reading coverages. All things that one would expect in second year guys. What the ongoing conversations on Allen reflect is the difference between eating at the McDonald's drive through, and eating at, say, Salvatore's. Those who are more negative about Allen are the McDonald's types; they want their food, they want it right now, and if they have to wait more than 5 minutes in the drive through line they start honking and gesturing and show their impatience. It has to be the way they want it right now! Those who are more advocates of Allen (like me) are the Salvatore's type. We recognize it takes time to make a truly good meal, and we're willing to wait longer for the chefs to take their time and create a masterpiece. Watching this kid, and the way he performs in the fourth quarter especially, makes me think we have our guy. I expect we'll be rooting for Allen for the next decade or more. Will he become and all time great? Maybe not. Will he fail miserably? Probably not. But this board honestly needs to get away from the constant crap about saying there are those who say Allen cannot do anything wrong, or those who say Allen is a guaranteed star. Neither is correct, and both completely misstate what the vast majority of people around here feel: that he is a young QB with a whole lot of potential that we're watching develop.

And I was there!