oldmanfan

What my question has elicited is that there are multiple opinions on what constitutes a # 1. I highlight Kincaid because the Super Bowl champs have made things work with a TE that is their primary guy. I just think all the yelling about having a #1 WR is lazy. Would I like to have a guy like Chase? Sure. Was Diggs a #1, at least according to some of the descriptions in this thread? Yeah. But was he the last half of last year? Not really, if you believe guys like Greg Cosell. The most important thing to me for the offense is Joe Brady. Can his offense use a group including Coleman, Shakir, Samuel, Kincaid et al effectively..

Again, what is a “legit # 1 WR”? I look at the two teams in the Super Bowl last year. Did either of them have a WR that was a legit #1 WR? Or did they have a great TE like the chiefs, or a good collection of WRs and a good TE like the Niners?

Data someone provided yesterday showed that on average there is less than one pass a game thrown 40 yards and over in the NFL. Then maybe he needs to work on his patience

Nope again. Look at answers here.

I can name some that are the best on their team. But what defines a # 1 WR is not universal as you can see from answers here.

Good answer. So the emphasis on a #1 WIDE receiver may be misplaced.

What I’m getting from my question is you don’t really need a #1 wide receiver, just a guy that teams have to account for more and that can be relied on to make catches. I think that guy for us is Kincaid.

Nope. If I knew I wouldn’t ask the question.

No. In general experts are experts because they have pursued specific training and education to their area and spend years in the field doing the work. The connection thing is silly.

Part of your concern may be allayed by playing a lot of two TE sets.

Incomplete and will be so for several years.

Transition is not synonymous with decline, nor rebuild.

They might bring in another guy after June 1 at WR, but Beane was pretty clear they’re not trading for a guy. I think the # 4 guy is on the roster. If Hamler can get over his injuries he’s the most logical choice. Shorter never really got a chance to show much last year. Then you have Hollins.

There can only be upside to this. There is no downside to guys getting to know each other and working on things, unless Josh tears an ACL or something.

Sounds reasonable. Maybe Kincaid is that guy. Maybe Coleman is the guy who gets those contested catches.

I keep reading how we have to go find a true #1 WR. That begs the question: what is a #1 WR? A guy that makes X catches a year? Demands double teams? What? I ask because the team we keep trying to beat, the team who has won several Lombardis in recent years, doesn’t seem to have a #1 WR. So how do they win? They have a #1 TE. Does that count? Is so than can Kincaid count as ours?

Wasn’t much fun

You keep arguing about things being anecdotal. There’s an easy solution to your complaint: go find the data. You also claim that non-experts can do as good a job as non-experts. There are a huge number of variables in trying to prognosticate how an NFL draft pick will play out, some within the player’s control and some not. The tremendous number of variables makes a good draft being where 50% of guys selected make it. It is hubris that some think they are better than an NFL office with access to scouting reports, film, information from college coaches, personal interviews with players and such. Occasionally some will luck out and pick better (and of course that can’t be decided for years after a draft vs. some of the hysteria we’ve seen here the past 24 hours). The idea that non-experts are as good as experts is somewhat trivial when talking about football. It becomes a real issue when talking about more important subject matter. Like during Covid when I had hairdressers on Facebook trying to tell me, a scientist, they know more about viruses. The advent of social media and with it people thinking their opinion is as valid as the next guy, and where actual expertise is ignored, is dangerous.

Thanks. Looks like for Josh and the league in general it’s less than once a game.

I applaud your idea. I just wouldn’t have a clue because I don’t follow college football

You’ve hit on what I think is an important point. The immeasurables. Beane really went after guys with leadership qualities this year as an example.

With so many worried about the top pick’s 40 time, and who on the team can “take the top” off the opponent’s defense, I’d love to find info on just how many times Josh actually threw the ball 40 yards or more lasts year. Or how many times in the league total. Anybody have a resource? Just relying on memory it’s not very many times.

Poor takes? I’m the voice of experience and wisdom!

Used to be

I wouldn’t be sure of that if you read posts from the last couple days.