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With the amount of draft picks the Patriots have already given up this offseason (IIRC I don't think they are even picking until the 3rd or 4th round, which is very unusual since Belichick LOVES his draft picks), I don't see them giving up another pick to sign Gillislee. And even if they did actually sign Gillislee, I don't see it being to an offer the Bills couldn't/wouldn't match.

So does that mean you are in the cult of anti-Tyrod then, since you do the opposite of this? Every stat that is bad is because of Tyrod and every stat that is good is explained away... Lol, just messing with ya man. There is no damn cult among Bills fans, though. There are just fans with different opinions and different levels of love and hate of certain players. Everyone has their own opinion about sports, and everyone thinks their opinion is right, apparently... there's also ways to go about arguing that opinion, and ways not to. agreed.

I am almost starting to think maybe Deshaun Watson, because nothing has come out about the Bills privately working him out and going to dinner with him. That comment came out about Whaley being in love with him, then after that we see all the stuff about the Bills scouting every other top QB in this class... lol. No, I have no idea who their top QB is or where they value him. Personally, I hope they don't value any of these QBs in the top 10. Also remember, the Bills were rumored to be heavily scouting the QB class last year too (with rumors of them maybe even trading to #2) and Pegula went to dinner with Bryce Petty the year of his draft (and I believe he even flew to Texas to do so). I mean, I definitely think the Bills are interested in finding their franchise QB in the draft. But I have no idea if they will draft one this year. They've been putting much more effort into scouting QBs since Pegula took over the team.

It's funny. Until McDermott said this, I was leaning toward it being more of a smoke screen. But now that he said "it could just be a smoke screen", it makes me think that maybe they are more interested in taking a QB at 10 then I thought they were... lol. But I also didn't hear McDermott's radio interview in full context either. I am just reading a single quote that that ESPN article chose to focus on. Edit, maybe he's also just trying to get people to think its not a smoke screen, so they're more willing to trade up with the Bills, or ahead of the Bills so a good player maybe falls into Buffalo's lap at #10. Ah, draft season... lol

Am I "CoT" because I believe there is still a chance that Tyrod improves upon last season? I don't think there is any such things as a cult of Tyrod anyway. He is the Bills starting QB, so people support him and want to believe that he can improve. Just like they want to believe the Bills as a whole can improve, even though history is against it happening. Does that mean we should give up on the Buffalo Bills completely because they have pretty much stunk for the last 17 years?

I agree that I think there needs to be some give and take between the coaches and players. I read/heard that is an issue with Bylsma, being too unwilling to change certain things. Obviously it's also an issue with some players, as we've heard about it all season. And I also agree that lack of talent, especially on the blue line, is a major problem ( I do think we have some very nice offensive talent that didn't show as much as it should have this year). I think the injuries were a major problem too. But having seen similar problems with Bylsma's Penguins teams as I am seeing with the Sabres, I believe that some of the problem is also Bylsma himself. I have no doubt that some better defenseman will make the Sabres a better team, though. I don't know what type of realistic upgrades we can expect to the blue line next year. I am hopeful that the expansion draft will shake a good defender loose for a reasonable price. Another thing I will mention - One trait I think all good/great coaches have is being able to adapt their scheme to the players they have on their roster, to take best advantage of what they have, and that's one area I think maybe Bylsma seems to be lacking in. IMO part of the issue is that he is asking our players to do things that they are not necessarily best suited to do. I think he could take better advantage of this roster the way it's constructed, instead of trying to rigidly fit it to his system. (I don't know for sure that he is doing this, but it sometimes seems that way to me). I think we have some very nice offensive talent, and I don't think that being ulilized properly. I don't see any rush to fire Bylsma though. I think he deserves at least another season, and a chance with an upgraded blue line + a healthy roster (as the Sabres were near the top of the NHL in man games lost). I don't see any real reason to be in a huge hurry to hire a new coach yet anyway. Buffalo is not at the point where they are ready to compete for anything yet. So it's not like we need a coach that can push us over that hump. The rebuild isn't even complete yet. The team is still being built. But for me to say he deserves anymore than next season, there has to be some actual improvement next year.. That was a big issue IMO, is that I don't think we really seen much growth in much of the roster. Only a small handful of players showed any forward progress in their development. Other guys seems to go backwards, and it seemed like the roster as a whole took a step backwards as well. Was it just injury related? I don't know.

I would be pretty shocked if the Leafs somehow made it past such an experienced Washington team. But hey, it's the playoffs, you never know! And Washington has crapped the bed in the playoffs many times before... Either way, it's great experience for the kids on the Leafs.

I don't think it's fair to say they rebuilt from scratch. The Sabres have truly rebuilt from scratch. They have almost nobody left from the previous team. The Leafs rebuilt their front office and coaching staff, but they did more of a retool of their player roster than rebuilt from scratch. They still have a lot of players left from previous rebuilds - Kadri, Rielly, Gardiner, Bozak, JVR, Brown... Those are some important leftovers that are contributing greatly to the Leafs current success. They definitely tanked last year though, and the second half of the previous season. And their turn around has been extremely impressive this season. Babcock is taking full advantage of the roster he has. He has always been a defense first, clutch & grab stayed coach and he has seemed to totally reform that system to fit the offensive ability of his current roster. He is truly one of the very best coaches in the NHL. And I have been beyond impressed with Brendan Shanahan as team president. He is right there with Steve Yzerman IMO, as one of the top (former player) NHL execs. I would take Shanahan here in Buffalo in a heart beat! Yes, I absolutely LOVE the NHL playoffs! IMO it is the most exciting playoff sport to watch. I look forward to the playoffs every year. But hockey is my favorite sport. I have played and/or been involved in the game most of my entire life. I don't have any predictions yet. Playoff hockey is so much different than regular season hockey. You never really know how a series will go, and there are a number of teams playing some pretty good hockey at the moment. And since the Sabres aren't in it, I don't really care who wins either. I usually pick a favorite team for each series and root for them. I can usually find a reason to root for almost any team. I will definitely be pulling for Ottawa though, since our current GM had a huge hand in assembling that team and since I don't like Boston. I don't see them making it past the 1st or 2nd round at best though.

Thanks guys. Glad to hear this.

He was at the Mahomes, Trubisky and Kizer workouts the past few days? good to know. I hadn't seen any reports that he was there, and that above tweet made it sound like he wasn't. Where did you see he was there, just out of curiosity?

Has Whaley been at any of these QB workouts? Maybe he's firmly on the Watson or bust wagon? lol

Lol. Oops. Typo. I meant Pegula was NOT there...

John Murphy said today that Pegula was at dinner with Kizer. Just figured I'd pass on that info... Edit - meant to say that Pegula was NOT at dinner with Kizer. My bad.

I am sure that is maybe some of it, but Eichel did play in a structured system in college under David Quinn and has played for a number of well respected coaches, with very good players too (like Auston Matthews and others). He's played in the US National team development program for 2 years, played IIHF worlds, World Juniors, Youth Olympics, USHL, etc etc. I don't think he was allowed to just free wheel and do his own thing all the time in those programs, with other great players on the ice with him. If it were just Eichel that (supposedly) hated Bylsma's system, I would maybe agree. But even Sam Reinhart supposedly hates it and he plays a more structured game. I've read that it's like half the team that hate his system. He seems to ask his players to play a very rigid/strict, very boring, risk-free defense first type system that is supposedly overly complicated and strict and you can see how it kills creativity and scoring chances. It's not the type of system we should be running with all the talented forwards we have IMO. We should be an offensive oriented, puck possession team, that takes advantage of our player's skill sets IMO, not a dump and chase grind it out, puck retrieval type team (Kane is one of the few forwards we have that really fits this IMO, which is why he looks good playing in this system). IMO What makes the Sabres so awful at possession is their lack of puck support. Watch how many times a defender will go into the zone, retrieve the puck behind the net and then try to make a stretch pass to a forward beyond the blue line in any given game. Those passes rarely connect, and even if they do they're generally not clean, which results in either a turnover or an icing, both of which give up possession. The Sabres lack personnel to make those kinds of transitions work. They need to move up the ice as a team, not with defenders trying to hit forwards halfway down the ice with hail mary bombs. IMO The defenseman should be more active in joining the rush. We have some mobile defenders. The forwards should also come back to help the defense on transition more. Our zone entries also kill momentum so often. He asks players to wait at the blue line while a guy skates it through the neutral zone and then carries or dumps it in. The Sabres have the players (especially at center) to play a more supportive, puck possession type game that IMO would take much better advantage of their skill sets. There were times during the season that they played more this style of hockey, and I thought they looked very good during those stretches. There were a whole lot of similar complaints about Bylsma's system during his time in Pittsburgh. He came in more than half way through the season and used Michel Theirren's system and won a Cup. The Penguins were already a good team. They had been to the Finals the year before Bylsma took over, and they had some major key injuries during Therrien's last year there. They got a number of good players back from injury just as Bylsma took over. The players had supposedly worn thin on Therrien's coaching style (as often happens with yelling and screaming type coaches), and Bylsma being a new style "player's coach" was a breath of fresh air. He won that Cup playing Therrien's system though. Then Bylsma changed to his system and never won another Cup. His system also evolved in his time in Pitts. At first he played a very up tempo, high scoring, exciting system that guys loved playing in (see 2011 Penguins) and had fun. Then he started to go to a more risk-averse, strict, defense first type system (see his last 2-3 yrs with the Pens) that killed much player creativity and you started hearing about how the Penguins hated playing in his system. There were also a lot of rumors he lost the locker room in Pittsburgh. Mario Lemieux even met with Crosby in the visitor's locker room at Madison Square Garden, during that game 6 in the playoffs because ownership was so worried about how Bylsma had lost the team. I don't mean to sound like I am totally against Bylsma, because I am not. But I have a lot of issues with the system he plays. I just don't think it takes advantage of the type of team Buffalo has. But he is a proven NHL coach and I would like to see what he can do with a better defense and not so many key injuries. He has to get more player buy-in IMO too. When half the team doesn't seem to be buying in to the system, it is doomed to fail no matter what system it is. And you heard this all season long from reporters who watched the Sabres practice. The coaches would have the players playing a very specific style in practice and then when the game started, half the team would abandon that style of play and do their own thing. That's where we need better leadership IMO, or they need to get our current leaders to buy in more. Sorry this is so long, I actually shortened it up quite a bit... lol. I could go on for days about this stuff. lol That would be cap circumvention. I'm sure he would if he could. Not to sound like a jerk, but In a way, it's good for the Sabres that Eichel missed his bonus. If he hit it, the Sabres would have been over the cap for this year, and would have had cap penalties next season.

That's not how it works. There are clearly defined entry level contracts/bonuses. Eichel got the max ELC contract with the max bonus structure.

Dean Lombardi and Darryl Sutter both fired by the LA Kings. Rob Blake named GM and Luke Robitaille named President. Interesting...

I was referring to you seeming to think its impossible that this team improves, not my point of view on the team or the standard I am holding Tim Murray to. Like I told you earlier in this thread, while not totally sold on him, I don't think Murray is nearly as bad as you make him out to be. rebuilds take time. I think there is a lot of young talent on this team that will continue to grow and improve. I think we have a good core of players, and we will add another this draft. I think the future looks bright for the Sabres, whether Murray is the GM or not. As far as Eichel, I think he was pissed off that the season ended and the Sabres didn't make the playoffs, and he also just found out he missed out on a $2 million bonus by .01 points (for being in the top 10 in PPG) hours before that interview, so I am sure that was a factor in it (did you notice how he answers that "you were almost a point per game player" question? and how he said he wished he had his last 6 games back (where he only scored 2 points total)). He also sounded like he was possibly upset with some of his teammates, by the "you can't just be happy to be in the NHL" and "have to hate losing more" and "culture change" comments (among other comments). I am not at all taking it as his future with the Sabres is doomed, or that he has no confidence in Tim Murray. I have in fact heard a number of Sabres players, including Eichel, say some very good things about Tim Murray and the confidence they have in him. Bylsma is a different story. Multiple different sources have said (for over a year now) how much Eichel hates playing for Bylsma and hates his system. If you want to read into anything, read into how he answered the questions about playing in Bylsma's system...

The 2nd round pick Cleveland got was the main factor in that whole deal. They basically bought a draft pick with their extra cap space.

I agree with much of what you said, but, unless I am overlooking something, he did take a pay cut. Tyrod was guaranteed (and due to make) $27.5M in 2017, if the Bills picked the option on his old deal. And now he is only guaranteed $15.5M. Also, Tyrod scheduled to make must over $40M total by 2018 on his old deal, and now will make $30M if he is here for both years of his contract the way it is currently written. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2016/8/16/12505676/full-tyrod-taylor-annual-contract-breakdowns http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/

I totally agree. I think it's the QB position in general. I think Pegula knows how important the Qb position is, and I really like that the Bills seem to really be doing their due diligence on the QB draft class the last couple of years. It seems like they have heavily scouted and vetted quite a few college QBs these past couple off seasons. I don't think Pegula visiting him gives us any real indication of what round they would be willing to take him in. I just think it shows that they are doing their homework on the QB draft class, which is great IMO.

Funny that all the AFC East teams visited with him, and only the AFC East teams. I guess they all remember the Jim Kelly days well...

I didn't really mean to imply that the Bills would have cut Tyrod. I have no idea if they would have or not. It seems kind of crazy to me that they would have cut him, especially since they had nobody even remotely close to better to replace him with. But then again, who knows with the Bills... The restructure could have all just been a game of chicken to see who blinks first, or they could have been serious about moving on from TT and signing Hoyer (like the rumors said) if he wasn't willing to take the pay cut. We will probably never know for sure, but I am glad that they kept TT. I do think that Tyrod is betting on himself with this contract though like you said, and I kind of think that Whaley is banking/betting on Tyrod staying the same or failing, because if he does improve, like you said he will most likely make more than what the Bills originally had him locked up at and Whaley will look kind of foolish. At the very least, Whaley hedged his bet.

The owner met with Bryce Petty a couple years ago, and took him out to dinner (in Texas I believe). Unless you think they thought Petty was a 1st round caliber player...

I didn't take him sitting in his equipment anything like that. I took it as him being ultra competitive. I don't at all think the whole thing is screwed up. I think you are expecting way too much, too fast. Most rebuilds seem to take an average of 5 years before they start seeing results. Some even longer. Buffalo is one of the youngest teams in the NHL. There's a long ways to get yet... This season was absolutely a disappointment. But I don't think it's impossible for things to improve next season. The Sabres were near the top of the NHL in man games lost to injury. Thats a lot for a young team to overcome. As far as Eichel being unhappy with losing - GOOD! I want him to hate losing. A lot can change in the time we still have him under team control though. If we start winning he won't care about losing in his first couple/few years in the league. It's WAY too early to start worrying about losing Eichel yet. Nolan Patrick Personally, I loved the way he announced the selection. I hate all the drama building BS that some GMs do... That's much more annoying to me than the way Murray announced his pick.

I do. This is not the first time we've seen the Bills show heavy interest in the QB class and not take a QB high. We may or may not, but there was a whole lot of smoke last year about drafting a QB in the 1st, and even trading up with the a Browns to #2, and we waited till the 4th. I think it's 50/50 that we take a QB in the 1st this year. If they feel like there's a franchise QB to be had, and he's available at #10, I think they draft him. If not, they won't draft a QB until later. I am very happy to see them doing their due diligence though.