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I was talking about how they’ve suppressed their outbreak, not how they got it in March. Mistakes were definitely made early on. There’s no denying that.

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https://www.wxxinews.org/post/ny-reported-only-5-covid-19-deaths-saturday-cuomo-says NY reported only 5 COVID-19 deaths Saturday Great news! ^ This is the real goal. Not just to keep hospitals from being overrun (a very low bar in my book). The real goal should be to stop so many people from dying every day from this virus. To suppress the spread. The bold shows that more testing doesn’t automatically have to = rising case numbers. Yes, you want to test and find more cases, but the ultimate reason for more testing is to get the positive case numbers trending Down, not Up. If you’re testing more and just keep finding more and more and more cases, you’re doing something wrong. You have to give NY credit for the way they’ve handled the largest outbreak (so far) in the country. It’s a shame all 50 states aren’t in the same position. I feel like they (more/less) could be if they had just followed the same guidelines NY did. There doesn’t seem to be any magic secret. Just follow the CDC guidelines for reopening, wear masks and social distance.

My point on NY wasn’t how they first developed their outbreak. It was on how they’ve handled it since. I think NY shows that if you follow the guidelines you can slow the spread of this virus and start reopening safely, without massive covid spikes. And Personally, I think that makes it even more impressive that NY had the worst outbreak (so far, anyway) and now have the virus under control better than many states that dealt with much smaller outbreaks, and/or had much more time to prepare for this virus. NY was the canary in the coal mine. They made some mistakes, especially in the beginning, but they’ve also done a lot right since then. Shouldn’t we learn from what they’ve done right? And learn from the mistakes they made, not repeat them? That other states saw what NY went through and still chose to make the same mistakes seems inexcusable to me. Also, The reason NY was the first big epicenter definitely involved mistakes made on their part. But it also involved a lot of factors out of NY state’s control that played just as big a role in the spread of this virus (if not bigger). Much had to do with federal policy (especially at airports), how densely populated NY is, how many people travel there from out of state every day (40k+), etc. They didn’t even know they had a big outbreak until their hospitals started getting overwhelmed and they started being able to widely test (and it wasn’t NY’s fault they couldn’t test). It’s not like they knew they had large covid outbreaks and chose to reopen/stay open anyway... Look at NY’s positive case graph below. I think that’s pretty impressive considering the size of their outbreak. I also don’t think the only goal is to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed (especially if we want sports to have a chance at playing out their seasons this year). Just keeping hospitals from being overwhelmed seems like a pretty low bar to me. That was a big reason for the shut downs, and yes that is part of the goal. But IMO the main goal should be to suppress the spread of this virus so we stop losing so many lives on a daily/weekly/monthly basis, and so we can safely reopen, safely stay open and our economy can truly start to rebound. We also don’t want our hospitals to ever approach overwhelmed status where they have to enter crisis care modes (like what is happening again now in some places (Texas, Arizona, what happened earlier in NY, MI, MA, etc)). Some of these states seeing large spikes are still (at least) weeks away from their peaks. Positive cases are still trending up. Large spikes/outbreaks lead to overwhelmed hospitals and more shut downs. I don’t see where our economy will truly come back in full with large hotspots all around the country and cases climbing in many states. IMO our economy’s rebound requires that we suppress the spread of this virus.

Nice! Thanks for sharing.

It’s not just because they opened. It’s because they reopened and did not follow the CDC guidelines for reopening. They started reopening before they ever even met the criteria to enter phase 1. The CDC laid our clear guidelines on what was required to enter phase 1 reopening. These states seeing the biggest spikes started opening before they met the guidelines. Then to make things worse they started opening bars, restaurants, gyms, movie theaters (etc) in phase one (a clear violation of the CDC reopening guidelines). Then add that onto them not issuing the CDC mask and social distancing guidelines (or making it voluntary) and it’s easy to understand why they’re dealing with these outbreaks/surges. Look at NY state as a comparison. The had the worst outbreak in the country and now many places in NY are close to entering phase 4 of reopening (the final phase) and their cases still aren’t spiking like in some of these other states. But NY followed the reopening guidelines to the letter, despite the pressure to speed things up.

the full article is worth reading.

https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/opinion/kevyn-adams-has-a-low-bar-to-clear-for-drafting ‘Kevyn Adams has a low bar to clear for drafting’ I think he meant “outside the first round” is not a pretty sight either (and it’s not).

https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/far-uvc-light-safely-kills-airborne-coronaviruses

Yeah, I could share some nightmare stories I’ve heard about covid from my friends & family in healthcare.

OMG I almost spit out my drink laughing! ?? You forgot about testing though. We need to do away with that too. No testing = no cases. Like for example, Recently my GF told me she might be pregnant. I told her not to take a pregnancy test because I’m not ready for a kid. No positive test = no kid. Problem solved!

https://theathletic.com/1887591/2020/06/23/i-dont-think-i-trust-the-league-yet-bills-players-reckon-with-case-outbreaks/ (Athletic sub. required)

@plenzmd1 this is your post from the facts thread (I don’t know how to quote a post in a different thread). It’s not surprising to see that they suspect the protests are causing covid spikes. With so many people packed close together, chanting/singing/yelling, the potential was always there. I wonder why their contact tracing program doesn’t track cases that stem from public settings? That seems like a pretty big hole in the tracing program. Is it just too hard, or what? She also mentions restaurants and workplaces I saw she said this as well: https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/06/16/1000-la-county-restaurants-not-complying-with-health-orders/ Thats another likely source for the spikes for sure (IMO). It’s an indoor setting, where we know covid can spread easier than it can outdoors. And People can’t eat with a mask on. They’re also more likely to have hand to mouth contact of some type (either touching/wiping their mouth, or touching their food with their hands and then putting it in their mouth). Many people seem to be done worrying about this virus. But as Dr. Ferrer said: Nothing has changed as we open up. The virus is still here. It still spreads the same way. There’s still potential for new outbreaks. People can’t let their guards down. We still have to follow all the health+safety guidelines. It’s even more important now.

Interview w/Kevyn Adams from 2007 when he joined the blackhawks. https://www.nhl.com/blackhawks/news/ask-the-hawks-kevyn-adams/c-476928 He ended up being roommates with Pat Kane during Kane’s rookie year with the Blackhawks.

There is quite obviously a chance we won’t have pro sports this year but as of now I’m still hopeful for an NFL/NHL/MLB season, even if it may have to happen with limited (or no) fans (hopefully that’s not the case). Professional sports is such a massive business. I think they will do everything in their power to avoid completely losing out on all that revenue. Money is a huge motivating factor. I think they will get creative with their solutions. Only time will tell though. Nobody has any definitive answers right now. There’s a lot that we just don’t know yet. We’ll just have to wait and see. All this stuff is out of my control. All I can really do is my small part: follow the guidelines. I feel like the more of us that do our small part, and the more we can cut down on the spread of this virus, the better chance that we have pro sports. Just my opinion though.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/sports/coronavirus-survivors-athletes.html I dislike the headline they use for this article and think it’s a bit misleading but still felt the article itself was worth sharing, especially with all the athletes testing positive for covid.

https://www.covidexitstrategy.org

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/06/19/countries-keeping-coronavirus-bay-experts-watch-us-case-numbers-with-alarm/ “In countries keeping the coronavirus at bay, experts watch US case numbers with alarm” “It really does feel like the U.S. has given up.” -European scientist.

https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/buffalo-sabres-kevyn-adams-general-manager/c-317188682 From the Sabres site. Hopefully that means they’re going to let him surround himself with the type of people he will need to succeed, even if it costs some $$. The Pegulas would be foolish not to let him. They’re going to look pretty bad if Adams flops. I don’t know if Justin Williams is done playing, but man it would be amazing if Adams was able to lure him to buffalo for a season. He’s exactly the Chris Drury type of leader that locker room needs. I doubt it happens though. Patrick Sharp had some good things to say about Kevyn Adams leadership too (in the “our line starts” podcast). Said he was big for rookie Jonathan Toews. Said JT leaned on him a lot his rookie year.

I just meant that it looks bad after the season he just had. If he gets back to his normal point production it won’t look as bad. But even at the time it was signed it looked like an overpayment. I totally get the reasons why they did it. As you said they were desperate for goal scorers, especially at even strength. Plus it sent a better message to Eichel & the team not to let him walk. I didn’t want them to go over $8 x 8 though, even if that meant letting him at least hit the tampering window of free agency. I didn’t think he would get more than $8M on the open market and other teams could only offer 7 years (I thought he’d get something in the $7+M range, but who knows). Plus with him reportedly wanting to play close to his family, I felt we did have some leverage there. Im still glad they didn’t let him walk.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-breaking-major-nhl-awards-races/ Some interesting stuff from Elliotte Friedman’s 31 thoughts. I posted the Sabres related stuff in the NHL thread, but didn’t want to potentially derail the Sabres thread with covid talk so I figured I’d post this part here.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-breaking-major-nhl-awards-races/ Cant make this **** up! ? ?‍♂️ Edit, more: Skinner deal looks bad right now, but wow, thank heavens he was overruled on the Eichel contract! A long term deal would be way more expensive now after the season he just had + the deals that have been signed since his, like Matthews/Marner deals. And if he had signed a bridge deal, can you imagine having to try and convince Eichel to sign long term in buffalo this offseason or next? ? Or if botterill had went with a 4-5 year term, he’d have walked Eichel right to UFA. Interesting.

Nice!