SinceThe70s

Mets non-tendered Flores. Starting to feel like there will be significant roster churn. I'm expecting Thor rumors to heat up after the Cano deal gets done.

I'm with you. I've been on the fence all along, but I'm leaning towards the negative right now. I really want to keep Kelenic but that looks unlikely. Losing McNeil would feel like Justin Turner all over again. If this goes down it will be a defining moment for Van Wagenen - for better or worse.

Multiple sources saying it's Cano/Diaz for Bruce/Swarzak/Kelenic/Dunn and maybe Gershon. McNeil and Vargas have been mentioned too. For some reason I keep thinking of Seinfeld: Frank: What the hell did you trade Jay Buhner for?!? He had 30 home runs, and over 100 RBIs last year. He’s got a rocket for an arm. You don’t know what the hell you’re doin’! Steinbrenner: Well, Buhner was a good prospect, no question about it. But my baseball people loved Ken Phelps’ bat. They kept saying “Ken Phelps, Ken Phelps.”

+1 I've been too close to a couple of tragic situations this past year to not take that advice to heart. Go Bills!

Couldn't agree more. To me, the bolded encapsulates my hopes/expectations for this season perfectly. Still on track despite the horrific start to the season.

This deal is more about Edwin Diaz than it is about Cano. I'd trade any prospect the Mets have for Diaz straight up. Assuming Bruce is in the deal the risk is years 3-5 not 1-2. If this goes down they better give up only one top prospect. I'm not dialed in to the farm system but assume that means Kelenic, Dunn, Jimenez or Alonso. I'd want to keep Kelenic over the other three with Alonso second.

Where there's smoke there's fire? Two tidbits from this article: - Van Wagenen negotiated Cano's 10 year contract - the Mets prospects may be Justin Kelenic and Justin Dunn. https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/robinson-cano-mets-trade-talks-1.24040485

If it's a list of players I hated at the point of import, that's pretty tough. I've often skeptical about an import (Bay is a great example) but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and hope I'm wrong. If it's a list of imports that I grew to hate that might take me through to the new year. Going with the former list: 1. Vince Coleman 2. Vince Coleman 3. Curtis Granderson 4. Bobby Bo the second time around 5. Vince Coleman

I'm not advocating for Cano, but the thought of dumping Bruce and bringing in a young lights out closer (50+ saves sub 2.00 ERA) is appealing. I can't stand Harper and the thought of being stuck with him on a long term contract frightens me. Granted he's young, but not many of those mega deals work out too well (ironically - see Robinson Cano). But I'd learn to love him too. I always go back to my most hated Mets signing: Vince Coleman. Couldn't stomach hm in a Mets uniform, but slowly came around. Just in time for the bleach and firecrackers.

According to the article below the parameters for the Cano deal are the Mets take on Cano and pay him $14 mill for 5 years and also get either CF Mitch Haniger or closer Edwin Diaz. Mariners take on Jay Bruce and get a top prospect. I'd rather have Cano at $14 over Bruce at $13 for the next two years, but the last three would be a disaster, plus whose to say Cano doesn't get suspended again. Risky. Also, who is the top prospect? Certainly not Dom Smith, I would think it would be among Alonso, Jimenez or Kelenic. I'd vote Jimenez off the island. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-hot-stove-making-sense-of-robinson-cano-rumors-as-the-mariners-and-mets-continue-to-talk/

Some interesting stuff in the article below. - Mets hired a 33 year old analytics guy who co-founded a consulting company named Normalized Empirical Individual Forecasting Index (NEIFI). I wonder if he was a fan of Neifi Perez. - Riggleman was first contacted by Omar before the Van Wagenen hire and Omar made the follow up call after Van Wagenen was hired. I don't want to read too much into that but is Van Wagenen a puppet? That was my friends take when the Van Wagenen hire was first announced. https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/jim-riggleman-adam-guttridge-1.23969572

I heard this last night. The way I heard it the Mariners contacted the Mets and Yankees trying to unload him. In the case of the Yankees they'd take northwest native Jacoby Ellsbury off the Yankees hands. I don't want him either, too old and we can't hide him at DH. But if you wanna play what if...how about we bring him in to play first base, (as you said) move Bruce in the deal and move Frazier too. Sign Manny Machado and trade Alonso for pitching. Mid-season lineup: SS Rosario 2B O'Neill 3B Machado 1B Cano LF Cespedes RF Conforto CF Lagares/Nimmo C Someone better than D'Arnaud and Beef-on-Plawecki

McD should go with the FISH! philosophy next week: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish!_Philosophy

Now that is an interesting addition to the conversation.

Nope. But as Idandria pointed out, the end zone is different. I'm surprised nobody brought up the fumble out of bounds comparison where the possessing team retains the ball. That's basically what you're lobbying for (except where the ball gets spotted after the play). To some of us the end zone is different. I get where you're coming from, just don't agree.

If that's your opinion than I don't understand why you made the point below. Aren't you asking for the same outcome in either scenario? "The defense was playing poorly, not stopping a drive, and doing nothing to deserve the ball. An unlucky fumble mistake though the end zone should not award the crappy playing defense in any way."

What if the defense forced the fumble?

The "desperate situation" intentional forward fumble was addressed after the Raiders Holy Roller in 1978: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roller_(American_football) Unless I'm mistaken, what's being discussed here is an unintentional forward fumble through the end zone. Did the play today happen on 4th and goal?

They puked it through the end zone and shouldn't be given a second chance to rectify their f up. Don't get me wrong, I get your point and I'm not militant that it should absolutely be a turn-over. What makes absolutely no sense to me is putting the ball at the 20.

Completely legit concerns WRT Thor, didn't intend to suggest otherwise, I just never want to give up on high ceiling pitchers. So you're holding on to Conforto and Nimmo? I'm not convinced there's room for both....unless the Wilpons stop caring about salary (i.e. Cespedes).

It's a gamble for sure with Thor. If you're convinced he has a short shelf-life it's a no brainer, he will bring back a kings ransom since he's under control for three more years. I may still be scarred by Nolan Ryan, but I'd still roll with Jake and Noah. In three years Jake will be 33 and possibly on the downside. Jake, a healthy Thor and more of the same from Wheeler would keep us competitive. Would you move Conforto in the right deal?

I'd be fine if they gave the D the ball at the point of the fumble or the 1 instead of the 20

Nervous excitement over an upcoming or in-progress game is why I love sports and watch the games. If you want this game over with already or can't handle watching embarrassing moments, sports are not for you (ask any Michigan fan about embarrassment today...but keep within arms length). Tomorrow's Bills game is the most important game because it's the only one they will play. Go Bills!

Not a fan of how they project the yard lines and hash marka onto the telecast.

A Canadian entomologist named a newly discovered beetle after Jose Bautista. http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25349667/canadian-scientist-names-beetle-jose-bautista