Nihilarian

What Baldy didn't mention in the short clip I watched was that Allen was going against the Browns 2nd string defense. ANNNND, Allen was sacked by an unblocked defender and was thrown to the ground on his head. The last thing Bills fans want to see is another Trent Edwards Arizona type concussion on Allen. That first string Cleveland defense hit AJ McCarron enough to knock him out for 8-10 weeks with a cracked collarbone. What a crap O-line!! What I also don't want to see is Josh Allen attempting to survive behind that craptastic O-line against the Ravens, Vikings, Chargers, Packers, Texans defenses. I hope Beane can do some trades or pickups off the waiver wire that will help the Bills QB's make it through this season.

So many Bills fans only remember the bad about Trent Edwards. But there was a time when this board was going nuts over him. In 2008 the Buffalo Bills started 4-0 and so many were saying that Edwards looked like a young Joe Montana. Then they went to Arizona and after three passes an unblocked Cardinals rusher sacked Edwards and drove his helmet into the turf resulting in a very serious concussion. Edwards was never the same after that play even though he won the next game against San Diego. That unblocked hit on Edwards was very much like the one Josh Allen took in that first series as a Brown player came unblocked on 2nd and 7 and flung Allen to the ground. No concussion this time. but all it takes is one bad one and he could be done for the year or longer ...like Edwards. Josh Allen is bigger, stronger than Edwards but even Aaron Rodgers has suffered concussions that have taken him out for long periods of time. Looking at the Packers over the last few seasons they might have taken a toll. After watching what AJ McCarron went through against that first string Cleveland defense with that Bills line looking like a sieve and not holding their blocks. This was against the CLEVELAND BROWNS! Not the Ravens, not the Vikings, not the Chargers, Not the Packers, not the Texans! Like The_Dude said, Take it slow. Get it right!

Wasn't quoting my post huh? Do you often quote other fans posts and then deny you did so and then make up stuff to fit the argument? I can't abide liars or supposed Bills fans who constantly attempt to bull **** real Bills fans. Go troll some other teams forums will ya! I'm done dealing with this. Here is my post that you directly quoted me from page nine of this thread. Notice the name at the very bottom? Here's the problem, from a research perspective. His completion percentage was still below 50 and he was against a vanilla D. You can cherry pick all the great QB's you like, but you really need to look at a larger sample size. There haven't been many, if any, QB's who have been able to improve upon a sub 60 per cent college completion percentage in the pros who were drafted in the last decade. Your looking at exceptions, not likely outcomes. That was the reasoning against drafting Allen, as a QB needs to hit at least 60 per cent to be able to start in the league (in today's pass happy era) and most rookies see an immediate drop in completion percentage in the NFL, and sometimes it never goes back up. I get that your excited, but if you want to argue stats you can't just cherry pick from the greats who played during a time when passes were less frequent due to different pass interference rules.There are very good reasons to be concerned with his accuracy, and people who are concerned are doing there research. Edited Sunday at 07:48 PM by MURPHD6

You quoted my post by stating from a "research perspective" and then proceded to state the wrong stats by stating Allen had a sub 50% completion percentage which was almost comical until I read further. Then you proceeded to lecture me that I "can't" cherry pick from the greats as all I was attempting to show that even some players with the very worst completion percentage can improve once in the professional ranks where they can get the proper instruction to fully develop their craft. From the 40% range up to 62% once in the pros. If you actually did some research into this specific player you would have realized that the norms of completion percentage criteria really don't apply for various reasons. Bills fans need to look at the circumstances surrounding this rookie like Beane and McD have done. If you had read the link that I posted stating why the Bills FO knew Allen was "right for them". I would then tend to think that you wouldn't continue with the nonsensical idea that every rookie QB must have a 60 percent completion percentage entering the NFL or they will fail. https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/step-step-how-bills-knew-allen-was-right-them In case you are too lazy to click the link and read the article. "But Beane, McDermott, and Daboll feeling good about Allen didn’t change his completion percentage. It didn’t cause his harshest critics to suddenly like him. 56.2-percent overall over two years as a starter. 56.3 his junior year before declaring for the draft. It also didn’t suddenly change the competition he faced to be able to explain it away a lot easier. How did the Bills brass view those concerns and still decide Allen was Their Man? In this day and age of instant video and in-depth stats right at your fingertips, they went back to the basics. Tracking every throw with their own pencil-to-paper looking at exactly what’s going on with and around him. “Because what we did was, first of all, look at every throw multiple times,” Beane said. “What were his options here? He had no gimme throws. There’s no, basically like hand-offs, the bubbles, and all that stuff. It was all a traditional pro-style, throwing the ball vertically, and you basically have to do your own stats. How many times did he bail out of there and throw it away, which is an incompletion? How many times did he have to do that vs. this guy and vs. that guy? And you also looked at what’s going on when he’s missing when he should have made the play, what’s going on? And to us, it was pretty clear it’s when his feet were not right. The most positive thing I saw, when he was at the Senior Bowl, his feet were in a much better position that week, he was much more accurate, not only during the week, but even in the game." This is what I meant when I stated that there were specific circumstances as to why Allen didn't have a better completion percentage in his two seasons at Wyoming and why some feel that those percentage numbers aren't really indicative of what Allen will do in the NFL.

If you weren't referring to my posts then why did you directly quote me? Then referred to the stats I posted as "cherry picking"? The reason for my lengthy post was brought on by perceived condescending lecturing stated from a "research perspective". Since we are both Bills fans I will attempt to refrain from pointing out a sequacious nature. Still, if you had read the post I linked I would tend to think that any concerns most Bills fans had with Allen's so-called accuracy issues would have been eased.

It's not just me. Both Beane and McD placed their faith, future in the hands of Josh Allen so I think there is a real reason for all Bills fans to be excited. Read this, It might help. https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/step-step-how-bills-knew-allen-was-right-them

You weren't alone as I'd say about 90% of the board hated the idea of drafting Allen before the draft. Right after the Bills selected him most Bills fans here acted like they were gut shot with that pick. I rejoiced when the Bills drafted him over Rosen as I had done some extensive research pre-draft on all this years QB's and fell in love with what Allen brings and not just with the arm. He wasn't the most polished QB of the bunch but had the highest ceiling. In his final year at Wyoming, he played with a bunch of rookies and carried them to an 8-5 record and a bowl win. The biggest drawback everyone had with him was with his accuracy issues and then you realize he only played a full two seasons in college which should allow him to improve those accuracy issues over time. If you take the time to research it so many great QB's started out with a bad completion percentage only to improve over time. Joe Montana started out with a 42.4 % and left ND with a 54.2 %. While finishing his NFL career with a 63.2%. Brett Farve was another with a horrific completion percentage in his first year at S Miss with a 40.7 % to see it rise to 54.5 in his senior year. Then finished his NFL career with a 62.0. Allen's accuracy issues mostly revolve around his footwork and he has worked very hard to improve that since he left college.

Brady has a career 63.9 comp percentage. Brees in his career has a much better 66.9 completion percentage. Brees has the NFL's best ever completion percentage. Warner, Cousins, P Manning, Romo, Rodgers are all in the 65 comp % range. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_career.htm I don't think it's that far fetched that Allen can someday attain a percentage between Brady and Brees. EDIT: I think what you are missing John is a big reason as to why Beane/McD drafted Allen over Rosen who as of now is the more polished QB. My take is that they think he can become a very accurate passer in the NFL given time to develop.

The thing is, as good as Darnold (64.9 comp%) and Mayfield (68.5 comp %)were in college with their accuracy. Josh Allen was the only QB in this year draft class to hit the crossbar from 35 yards away with one pass for Trent Dilfer's soul, science camp. As far as the accuracy issues with Allen goes, it was all about his footwork and none of his college coaches worked with him on that issue. After his final year in college, he worked with Jordan Palmer and started working on his footwork which showed in the senior bowl and at his pro day. During his time at the combine, he met with Mike Mayock and acknowledged that his footwork was whacked in college. Palmer has stated that he has fixed Allen's footwork and that Allen simply needs to keep working at it.

The 3rd string talent he was surrounded with in his first NFL preseason game was about what he played with at Wyoming in his last season there. Everyone who had touched the ball the previous year was gone and what he had to deal with were rookies. He took that team of rookies to an 8-3 record while winning their bowl game. The Bills coaches must have thought he played well enough as they rewarded Allen with some reps with the first string in Friday's practice. There is no question that the kid needs more playing experience as it showed Thurs night. What was also shown is that he has an arm as good as it gets and the Jeff George reference comparing the arms is the only thing comparable between those two...Allen's arm is stronger. My take is it won't take much time before most every Bills fan will love this kid.

I watched Darnold for awhile and didn't see anything special. But, it's only one preseason game. Let's see how he looks when the game is on the line and he needs to go 80 yards for the win. For this year the Jests should let Bridgewater start and see how he does while letting Darnold sit and learn. JMO That regime might not last another losing season.

Ask this question again in a few weeks. We Bills fans love our pick now as well as the other teams love theirs as well. Thinks should become clearer as the season moves on. Funny thing though as I recall that most of this board acted gut punched when they saw Allen get drafted over Rosen.

I'd be willing to think that the two HC's, GM's had a gentleman's agreement to not blitz much while keeping things simple. Even Cleveland, Cincy and Chicago won't show their full defenses in the preseason. I think I'll wait until I see how the line plays with the real bullets flying at Baltimore, the Chargers, at Minnesota. We should know how well that line will do this season following how they protect and run block against those three teams. I suspect the line is not as good as it currently looks. 25 of 39 for 338 passing with only 21 rushing attempts, 430 yards of offense total seems off the charts against a usually stout Carolina defense. This!

With the scrubs at WR, and O line.

? Yep, Allen sucks alright...

Shades of Sammy there as he stopped running...

So true, kinda what he had to work with while at Wyoming. ? The first stretch of eight games this season is brutal, so I hope they sit him for the first half and let AJ, and Nate takes the pounding.

Overthrow? It went right through his hands. The rest of the team screws up for neg 20 yards and in one play it should have been a TD to make up for everything if not for a WR who missed a catch. Steve Tasker stated it correctly as that error was all on the receiver.

Like a flick of the wrist and that was on the WR.

can you say frozen rope!

Kinda early for this isn't it? Allen was out there with the 3rd string scrubs learning the NFL ropes. The safe play would have been a FG. The kid needs experience so the coaches will let him go for it.

Love this kid, smart and knows the fan base.

Allen in my view is better than AJ, Peterman, and yet I still want to see him sit and develop. I'm hoping that Allen doesn't see the field before week 8 or more, and if he does it means the other two are either injured or terribad. The long Allen sits the better his chances are to properly develop into a quality starter IMHO.

If the Bills are 3-5 at midpoint after playing the @ Ravens, Chargers, @ Vikings @ Packers, Titans, @ Houston, @ Colts, Patriots I'll be rejoicing! This means that the Bills beat one of the really good teams that most are saying will be making the playoffs this year. It also means that the offensive line won't be so offensive in defending a pocket QB! The remainder of the season consists of the Bears, Jets, Jags, Dolphins, Jets, Lions, Patriots, Dolphins. The bolded teams are the ones I think they have a shot at beating so 8-8 realistically. OTOH, should the Bills make some moves to replace Mills at RT and do a better upgrade at center I could see them winning a few more games. Perhaps even obtain a decent WR to go along with KB. Those teams I underlined. The offensive linemen currently on the roster will face some brutal defenses Chargers, Vikings, Packers (new DC Mike Pettine), Houston, Jags. Even the Lions and Patriots might be fielding top 10 defenses this year.

Many Bills fans are forgetting about that linebacker the Bills also took in the first round. Even if somehow Josh Allen fails to impress because of the lack of talent around him that LBer pick should stand out from day one. Regardless of the QB position should Edmunds turn into another Luke Kuechly this draft will be considered by many a success. A kid only 19 years old that is 6'5'' 253 lbs and he can run a 4.5 40, can play inside or out. Beane killed this year's draft.