Nihilarian

There are real reasons as to why so many NFL talent evaluators have moved the kid to the number one, number two QB in this year's draft. He already has improved his accuracy and touch and that showed in the senior bowl and combine. Allen had a good senior bowl and wowed them at the combine. Versus a kid like Lamar Jackson who threw one good pass and then threw a bad one and ended up with a very erratic evaluation. If you read up on Josh Allen you would read about a kid who had a slight build coming into college and recently grew into that big frame. Yes, the kid had a lot more talent around him in 2016 and still only had a 56% completion percentage. The thing is, all that talent left after 2016 and if plays were to be made it was all on the QB to make them as the surrounding talent drop off was staggering. Allen was in effect throwing to a far less talented and experienced team and that kept him from doing what the scouts expected him to do and that was to dominate at his level of competition. If you read about what his head coach said about him, “He’s been ultra-competitive, and it’s been whatever we’ve needed him to do,” Bohl said. “You look at our margins of victory, within our conference, on the Mountain [division] side, they’ve been pretty slim. And he’s been very resourceful, whether it’s running it or throwing it. And he’s done a really good job taking care of the football.” Bohl said that Allen has accomplished the goals the two had set in order to polish what everyone conceded was a very raw game at the beginning of this calendar year. He spent time on his mechanics, dedicated himself to watching tape, and traveled to the Manning Passing Academy to try and glean what he could from other quarterbacks. As a result, Bohl’s feeling is that Allen’s playing the position, rather than going out there and just playing, which is what he did last year to give birth to a style that made him a trick-shot thrower and YouTube superstar." https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/11/14/josh-allen-wyoming-2018-nfl-draft-top-small-school-prospects

Two, three years...really? Where do you guys get this stuff? I can see a team delaying from starting him on opening day so he can fully learn the offense and scheme while getting his NFL timing down due to the speed of the NFL. However, I could also see a team starting him right away depending on how quickly he picks things up. The kid played in a pro-style offense at Wyoming which means he is experienced under center. He has good footwork and a very efficient release and he puts a lot of velocity on the ball. Didn't have great numbers the last two seasons but that may be more due to the talent he was working with than any comment on his ability. The difference between Josh Allen and Sam Darnold was the talent surrounding both players. Allen had very little talent and carried the entire offense on his shoulders. How many players will the NFL see this year coming out of Wyoming besides Allen...exactly! From USC besides Darnold the fumbler, three. Although ten USC underclassman were seeking NFL draft evaluations this year. The talent, the coaches, the schemes on the teams surrounding USC, UCLA and big school QBs enables them to put up such great numbers while having great success in college. Let me ask this. How many of those greatly talented USC QB's have achieved great success in the NFL?

If they are keeping anything close to their vest I hope it's the interest in Cousins. I think moving up to the #2, #3, #4 spot would be cost prohibitive as they would get only 800 + 780 for this years #1s. And those spots would cost 2600, 2200, 1800.

Russell was also a junkie. Give a read to what Mike Bobo had to say about Allen in playing against him. "I can’t say enough about (Allen), he makes them go,” Bobo said. “He is about impossible to tackle. He makes plays after plays with his legs and his arm…Countless times over the last two years, this guy has made plays to win ballgames. Truly, truly impressive kid.” Possibly more than anything else, Allen’s arm strength presents the biggest challenge for opposing defenses. His ability to make strong, accurate throws on the run had Bobo awestruck. It’s not as if he just dumps the ball off in the flat, either. Allen routinely completes 40-yard strikes across his body, leaving defensive coordinators scratching their heads." “His toughness impresses me. They lost some pieces around him, and a lot’s on this kid’s shoulders,” Bobo said. “And he keeps coming out every series with the moxie and the confidence that ‘I’m gonna put this team on my back offensively.’” https://collegian.com/2017/10/mike-bobo-impressed-by-josh-allens-athleticism-not-focused-on-statistics/

This kinda tells me what I've always thought and that is the Bills won't be moving up into the top six. Moving up into the top ten is another thing I think they might want to do depending on who is still there QB wise. I suspect Allen, Darnold, and Rosen will be gone by the sixth pick and if Mayfield is still there they might make a move to beat out Miami, Arizona. JMHO

Just go back to these threads in which most of the fans are calling the kid garbage as he has already improved since the end of the college season. there is a real reason as to why so many scouts, draft sites, and mock drafts have the kid going in the top five. I will tell all the fans here that are so negative about him to not worry because there is no chance the Bills will ever come close to drafting him as no team will let them move up that far. The Browns, Giants are gonna fall in love with his arm and what they saw at the senior bowl, combine and draft him.

Just sayin. QBs usually always get drafted earlier than they should and if you read the article it looks like the Steelers are very interested in Rudolph. Plus, they already have Landry Jones on the roster. Remember the last time the Steelers beat out the Buffalo Bills on a QB and who Buffalo eventually ended up with? Besides, he is listed as tied for fifth in Mike Mayock's top 5 QB's and that other fifth is Jackson. Most mock drafts have both those guys going in the first round considering that there are at the least seven teams with a desperate need for an upgrade at QB There could be as many as 12 teams looking to draft QBs early this year and this year could surpass 1983 as the best QB class ever.

I was very high on Allen but after reading this article I'm thinking the Bills might be better off staying put and drafting Mason Rudolph. https://sports.yahoo.com/m/158dc1d9-864a-391b-b938-d3dfddfd26fb/despite-not-being-a-huge.html and https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/3/3/17073246/mason-rudolph-draft-oklahoma-state-qb-2018 "At his press conference at the league’s scouting combine on Friday, a reporter asked Rudolph how he’d answer the criticism that he’d only faced “statues in the secondary” in a lightly defended conference. Rudolph was blunt about it. “Well,” he started, “we played Colorado, Washington, and Virginia Tech, and we beat the crap out of all of them in [bowl games]. Those aren’t Big 12 defenses, and we played pretty well against those guys. So you throw on that tape, and I think that’ll kill that argument right there.” Starting to really like Rudolph.

I agree as I think they will trade up to the top ten "IF" there is still one of the top four QB's still available. Just not the top five as that will be just cost prohibitive. The Browns, NY Giants, NY Jets, and Broncos all are looking at QB's and should the Giants go for Barkley one of those top four will be there. I can see the Bills trading with Tampa, Chicago, SF, Oakland to get ahead of Miami, Arizona. Of course, a lot depends on what happens in free agency. Should the Browns go Barkley #1 and a QB at #4 then all bets are off and the Bills won't move up at all. Not surprising to me as I don't see this new regime putting all their chips this year and perhaps even some for next year all on one guy who has a 33% chance of making it as a franchise QB. At least not when the team has so many holes on the roster going forward. JMHO

I agree. This is a big red flag that he won't throw! Then I look at the teams past history of very highly touted failures at QB with Carson Palmer as the only exception and he has never played in a SB much less won one. A Heisman trophy winner with two pro bowls and three playoff appearances in a Thirteen year NFL career. He is the best the NFL has seen out of USC. Then you have Mr. Butt Fumble Mark Sanchez. Three time all American Matt Leinart, Cody Kessler, Matt Barkley, John David Booty, Todd Marinovich, Rodney Pete, Sean Salisbury. USC QB's have two great things going for them at draft time. They posses the physical talent and potential to make it and play in the NFL and they won enough college games to keep them as the starter. The biggest thing that USC does is with their great recruitment that the supporting cast around the QB is usually excellent and usually is enough to give their QB a big advantage. So far that hasn't equated to success in the NFL at the highest level. The odds that the Bills find a franchise QB out of this years draft even with the second pick in the draft is only less than a 30% chance of success. If they are smart the bills would go big into the Kirk Cousins sweepstakes unless they have supreme confidence in their new scouting dept.

Who the Bills paid two firsts and a fourth from a GM who watched too many highlight films on the guy. This and the fact that the kid caught most of his college passes in screen plays. From what I see Watkins isn't even a #1 WR on a team that needs a #1 WR as he had 14 game starts in 2017 with not even 600 yards total. Although he did have 8 TD catches does that make him worth a franchise tag with more than 16 mill per or as Spotrac holds him at 6 mill per. I think he is going to want 10-12 mill and he isn't worth that amount considering his injury history. Let the Rams attempt to sign him.

What we know after last season is that OC Rick Dennison sucks and what he did with Peterman really sucks! What the coaches don't know yet is if Tyrod, Peterman can further develop with a quality OC guiding them in Brian Deball. I think they both will improve should things remain the same. Even then the team can still draft a QB to develop or start and trade Taylor later on.

I wish it was Buffalo! The smart money is on the Vikes! If I were him I'd take one look at Denver with last years 5-11 record with a new HC and pass. Dunno why so many think Denver.

This guy worries me as he could drop and Buffalo goes after him. Small hands, weird delivery. When was the last time a USC QB won the SB...exactly!!

Got a link to that last sentence as I find it difficult to believe that so many scouts have upgraded their opinion on a prospect because he now has an agent. BTW, aren't you the guy that wants Lamar Jackson? Have a link for this because from everything I've read Josh Allen played in a pro-style offense which gives him fewer easy throws. NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah's top 50 players Josh Allen is listed as the 14th best player in this year's draft. "While he has room to improve on his overall ball placement, there were numerous dropped balls by his receivers in every game I studied. " http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000909727/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2018-nfl-draft On another note, some of the QB's since 2000 to complete their college career with less than a 58% completion percentage were Jay Cutler, Matthew Stafford as they improved that percentage once in the pros. There is a real reason as to why almost every draft site I've read as Allen as a top ten draft pick and most have him going in the top five.

Exactly. There is a real reason as to why Kiper moved him to his #1 QB and Mayock moved him to his #2 and my take was his performance in the senior bowl. There is more to evaluating a player than just stats. Allen was in a downfield throwing offense as in 2017 he threw 43 passes more than 20 yards. So when you throw downfield that many times you are going to get a lesser completion percentage. heck of a difference for that offense vs a spread with a ton of bubbles and screens. When looking solely at completion percentage Allen ranked 77th, Darnold 27th, Rosen 29th and Mayfield #1. Edit: No question in my view that Josh Allen will be drafted in the top ten or sooner.

I'd pass. I'm so sick of running QBs in the NFL as they usually get figured out and beaten with a few exceptions. As exciting they can be in college they tend to not do so well as a pocket passer. The Panthers just fired their OC in an attempt to develop Newton into more of a pocket passer. Russell Wilson is the only exception and even he needs a better line to protect him. Six QBs might go in the first round and I'm hoping Buffalo takes one of five that don't want to run all the time. Baker Mayfield is a runner too, although he uses his mobility to buy time to make plays like Wilson. Him I want! No to Jackson.

The Biggest problem with this team was a lack of quality GM, coaching, and scouting dept to find a high caliber talent in the first place. Second, to allow him to survive long enough to develop properly. Trent Edwards looked like a young Joe Montana at first (2008) and after several severe concussions behind bad lines with terribad coaching(Turk Schonert, AVP), a bad scheme ( A WCO QB in a Mike Martz deep passing scheme) he became a bad QB. Just like JP Losman, EJ. Shoot, EJ didn't even have the luxury of a QB coach in his first season in Buffalo, nor did he have a veteran QB to help show him the ropes. All he had was an OC who had never been an NFL OC previously. Talk about a ridiculously stupid way to develop a QB. To draft a rookie QB in the first round only to not give him the proper means to develop. He was supposed to sit for a season to develop and even that wouldn't have helped at all with nobody to teach him. EJ stated he learned far more from watching Kyle Orton prepare for a game than from any coaching. This new HC, GM, OC, and scouting dept should be able to determine a high caliber QB from the top six and then draft, develop him properly. This, for the first time in nearly a decade.

You guys want a running QB? So why draft one as RG3 is looking for work and for that matter so is Geno Smith, Colin Kaepernick...anyone? Anyone? Anyone else recalls what the Redskins gave up to move up to #2 to draft RG3... I think the entire reason the FO hired Deball was to move away from the running QB scheme to a more of a pocket passer. PLEASE, no more running QB's. BTW, the story on why RG3 no longer has a job in the NFL as a QB. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/19/chris-cooley-rgiii-was-so-bad-i-cant-assess-the-rest-of-the-redskins-offense/?utm_term=.fb6baf15092c Griffin’s throwing motion “He’s short-arming the ball,” Cooley said. “He has bad technique, he’s not setting his feet right….He has the yips. He does have the yips, where the ball’s just not coming out of your hand right, so now you’ve aborted all technique, because you don’t have a feel for the ball coming out of your hand, and you’re getting this shot-put throw action. You’re aiming. He has the yips. He does. He just does.”

Last year Siemian started 10 games and won 5, he threw 12 TD's, 14 INTs...all with a QBR of 29.8. Why on gods green earth would this team want a QB that turns the ball over with that frequency? The Bills already have Peterman who could do that just as easily if that is what you are looking for. What made Tyrod Taylor so tolerable was his ability to not turn the ball over but then he would take chances in passing into tight windows either. I'd rather have Tyrod over Fitz, Siemien or any QB liken them that has that many turnovers. Hey, Geno Smith is out there and I'll bet he is cheap!

Welp, he just successfully killed any chance of any NFL team signing him... Geno Smith was once a second-round pick with promise, but he's been hurt by inaccuracy and an inability to grasp the mental part of the game. He still has potential at just 27, which is why I'm giving him two stars, but I don't have much hope for him. http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2018QB.php

Another mans garbage...

Mayock stated that he thought Wentz could be the next Andrew Luck and he had Wentz first overall. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/2/23/11100878/nfl-draft-2016-mike-mayock-carson-wentz-andrew-luck-jared-goff I can also recall Mayock banging the drum for Joe Flacco. Mayock was also smart enough to have Aaron Maybin tied for 5th best OLB that year and he had Orakpo, Cushing, and Matthews ahead of him. It's all a crapshoot really and so much depends on where a QB goes, who his coaches are that develop him and what kind of system is he placed in. The Bills drafted Trent Edwards a WCO QB out of Stanford and forced a Mike Martz deep passing scheme on him with clowns like Turk Schonert as his OC.

I could see Denver, Arizona if they miss out on the Captain Kirk sweepstakes.

Jackson does scare me with his hitting a big throw after a few bad throws. Reminds me of Geno Smith! Why on earth would the Bills want a lesser, more turnover version of Tyrod Taylor?