Nihilarian

What would be great is if Leroi still worked in Buffalo so we would have some insight into what this FO is thinking and which, if any of these QB's might be worthy of trading up for.

Brady had only two game starts in 96 and 4 game starts in 97. When Brady played a full season at Michigan during his junior year the Wolverines went 10-3 while WINNING the Citrus Bowl against Arkansas. His senior year at Michigan Brady went 10-2 while WINNING the Orange Bowl against Alabama! Before you say someone is leading with BS you should do a bit of research.

The guy wants to win 7 super bowls huh? Then why didn't he win more in college? Tom Brady, he ain't! Although, I happen to like the kid as he wore a Fu*k TRUMP hat while playing golf at one of Trumps courses. Rosen played three years at UCLA, 8-5 the first year he played in all 13 games. Lost to Ariz St, Stanford, Wash St, USC and lost their bowl game to Nebraska. He only played in 6 games his sophomore season as he was running for his life in those 6 games before a shoulder injury shortened his season. UCLA went 4-8 that year. His Junior year he played in 11 games but suffered two concussions too. UCLA finished 6-7 and lost their bowl game to Kansas St. Looking at UCLA during Rosen's time there they did have a bad defense, bad O line, bad run game. Yet one of his receivers had 1264 yards receiving, 9 TDs last year. Now looking at the current state of the Buffalo Bills offensive line without Glenn, Wood and all pro Cogs. The remaining O line players on the roster are very questionable. Drafting a rookie QB with the thinking he needs to start in 2018 would be about the most foolish thing this FO could do this upcoming season. This FO better have a plan to add some quality offensive linemen or those 5 picks in the first half by Peterman might become a weekly issue no matter who is starting at QB.

Not the way the offensive line looks right now. Nevermind the QB

Another thing that most fans don't get is that the line has to play as one unit and everyone must know everyones elses responsabilitys. Its called continuity and sometimes can take a while to properly develop. On certain plays you can't have free roamers breaking through the line all the time and they must be picked up. In this sense I don't blame Incognito for retiring after they reduced his pay because with some scrub at center his job at LG becomes that much harder. If you have quality players all across the line it becomes so much easier for each player to do his particular job. When you throw scrubs into the mix it becomes a nightmare. The line might not have gotten the greatest grades for last season but that is because of Mills at RT. The left side was pretty solid and now that is gone. Without Incognito at LG I kinda doubt Dawkins looks anywhere near as good as he did last season. The OP got it right when he said "shambles" and nobody on the current roster comes even close to an all pro level. Bills QB's will be running for their lives just like 2010 all over again. Unless that line is upgraded big time I can see another 0-8 start of the 2018 season.

Most fans are underestimating the impact of losing an all pro at LG will mean. His play helped both the center and left tackle to look so much better than they were. Anyone recall the last time the Bills had an all-pro OG? It was all the way back in 2003 and Ruben Brown played 9 seasons for Buffalo and then went on to play another 4 for Chicago. The man was an eight-time pro bowler for Buffalo and made the pro bowl one year for the Bears. You wanna know something else? The last time the Bills had a lot of superior players on the offensive line they were a playoff team in the late 80's, the early 90s. Previous to that they won two AFL championships with stars on the offensive line. One all pro player on a five-man line is not going to cut it either like with Jason Peters, Ruben Brown. The weakest player on that line will be exploited continuously all game long. Just like they do with Mills over and over. There is a direct correlation between having a superior offensive line and making the playoffs. Versus having an inferior line and being a perennial losing team thinking you can find quality offensive linemen in the later rounds. Sure, you can find any position in the later rounds. Drafting a top four QB with six or seven early picks looks like a fool's errand unless that line gets upgraded big time. It makes more sense to rebuild the line this year and draft a guy like Mike White and go for the QB once there is a solid team around to protect the guy. IMHO

I don't get why so many Bills fans are so desperate to trade away so many picks for one of all these flawed QB's to get to #1 or #2. Rosen might be the most polished at this point but then he isn't on the same level as Sam Bradford and yet due to his injury history will most likely have a similar career. Darnold has that loopy delivery that was Okay in college but will telegraph his throw at the NFL level. Not to mention with all his fumble problems he equates to Mr. Butt FumbleTwo. 20 INTs over the last 20 games! Allen needs time on the bench to develop and if given that time he could be the next Aaron Rodgers...or not. Mayfield looks like the only QB that could be the real deal as the next Drew Brees. Jackson already has the "yips" and he hasn't even played an NFL game. None of these QB's grades like a Cam Newton, Matthew Stafford, Andrew Luck. PFF has these QB's graded thus, Mayfield Darnold Rosen Rudolph Jackson Allen I can see the Bills moving up from the #12 spot to get a QB. Perhaps to that #4 spot.

Most NFL fans have no understanding of the consequences of what extended playing in the NFL can have on players lives later in life...or what their spouses need to contend with in the aftermath. NFL center Jim Otto comes to mind along with the dedication he gave to the Raider org over his fifteen year NFL career. https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Otto-paid-big-price-for-football-glory-3262920.php "It hasn't been easy, though, not even for a man who had endured 15 years of pounding in the NFL and close to 70 surgeries on his knees, shoulders, back, nose, you name it. This summer, a surgeon pried Otto's sternum open and worked on his heart, which had been damaged by all the infections that claimed his right leg."

Levy, Brandon, Nix, and Whaley all had plans...the best laid plans of mice and men. If this regime trades back in the first round and drafts a QB. Then finds out the QB isn't so good. Yet, later on, uses two first-round picks plus a fourth on a WR who gained all his yards in college in a play this team doesn't utilize that often to help make that QB better. Well, the end result should take place much faster I'd think. What a cluster#### of mismanagement over the years, and years! Just a very brief synopsis. Donte Whitner instead of Haloti Ngata. RB Marshawn Lynch was a good pick. But then the FO refused to properly upgrade the line so the guy was always carrying three defenders on him to make yards. Oh, wait! They did bring in some useless high priced free agents that pissed off the teams pro bowler at LT. So, they need to trade away that pro bowl LT and draft a pass rushing one-year wonder at DE who was the biggest bust of the draft when they could have taken an actual useful DE in Brian Orakpo. Still needing an LT they take a "waterbug" RB who has great difficulty in distinguishing his elbow from his backside. From the new GM stating that "We're not that far away," that whole 2010 draft was bust worthy.The team finished the season 4-12 with the starting QB outright cut after two starts. Again, still needing a quality LT, and a franchise QB the team drafts a stud DT. With so many needs the team stays put and drafts that tackle. The Bills haven't had a decent pass rusher since 2009 after DE Aaron Schobel retired. Since the scouts and GM are so inept that they cannot find a viable pass rusher in the draft the last few years. So they decide to spend 100 million on a free agent pass rushing DE and that really didn't help the team win more games. But, it did help put butts in the seats. * I just wanted to add that it took a washed up, has been of a defensive-minded head coach who destroyed a top-five defense to finally find/bring in a QB who could take the team to the playoffs for the first time since 1999. This bum of a head coach was also smart enough to recognize how a quality offensive guard could improve the team in so many ways. So he personally vouched for this troubled player no other team wanted. This all-pro OG was the first since Ruben Brown and helped raise the play of both players next to him. He also attempted to bring in another quality OG but failed. The importance of superior players on the offensive line was not lost on those Buffalo Bills playoff teams of the late 80's- early 90's or the AFL championship teams of the 1960s. The ineptitude of the management of this team since the late owner fired GM John Butler in December of 2000 has been astounding...but yeah, they all had plans. What point the OP was attempting to convey is this new regime really seems to know what they are doing so far and that is so very comforting compared to previous regimes. .

Buffalo was a very bad team back then with back to back 2-14 seasons in 84-85 and Kay Stephenson was the HC. With no USFL. First off I highly doubt Kelly plays for Buffalo and he holds out for a trade like Elway did. Second, I kinda doubt Kelly as a rookie wins many games for them by himself even if he did commit to play. Don't forget that first season for Kelly in 86 they went 4-12. It was after the 85 season that Bill Polian came in and things started to turn around. Anyway, HoFer DE Chris Doleman went 4th overall to Minnesota. That 85 draft had 5 HoFers in it and that first round was loaded with talent

Four QB's are selected in the top six picks and seven QB's will be taken in the first round with the seventh being Kyle Lauletta by the Patriots. Darnold Allen Rosen Mayfield Rudolph Jackson Lauletta Four will become NFL starters and only one will go on to have a long, great career.

A few things to add here. Kelly had severe shoulder separation in his senior season at the U and he needed pins inserted to keep it together. His doctors told him he might not ever have a full throwing motion again and this is a big reason as to why he dropped to #14 otherwise he fights Elway for that #1 spot IMHO. Just think if not for that injury Kansas City might have drafted Kelly instead of Blackledge. On another note, it was rumored that Dan Marino was a party animal at Pitt and he smoked weed. This rumor caused him to fall big time. Otherwise, he doesn't drop to #27 and the Patriots or NY Jets could have drafted Marino. Bills fans need to understand what it was like with Bills owner Ralph Wilson back in the late 1970s, early 1980s with a #1 overall pick in the 1979 NFL draft the Buffalo Bills picked LBer Tom Cousineau and instead he chose to go to Canada rather than play for Buffalo. The thing is, Buffalo had a complete moron for a GM in Stew Barber at that time and he set up a dinner in Buffalo with Cousineau and his agent and then never showed up. This was the start of bad negotiations and the financial difference came down to 100k. Needless to say that Clouseau was so put off by Barber and his antics he went to play for the Montreal Alouettes. Jim Kelly saw all this and knew about the Buffalo Bills owners cantankerous, frugal nature and he didn't want to play in obscurity all his career in Buffalo. Which BTW was entering a mass exodus as the city was losing jobs due to the steel mills closing. Speaking of this the city had this color and stench in the air from the Mills. Don't forget this about the same time the love canal hits the national media. Buffalo was the very last place so many NFL players wanted to play for back then. Bills fans should be so very grateful to Bill Polian who talked Wilson into making Kelly the highest paid QB in the league otherwise he might have held out for a trade. Back then, Raiders owner Al Davis sent Kelly to England with some Raiderettes in hopes of getting Kelly to ask for a trade. Let's not forget that the Buffalo Bills had traded "the fireman" QB Daryl Lamonica to the Raiders back in 1967 and he won some games for the Raiders.

I agree with at least six and perhaps more. Allen, Darnold, Mayfield, Rosen, Jackson, Rudolph. Cleveland, NY Giants, NY Jets, Buffalo, Denver, Arizona all need looking to draft a QB. Then you have teams like the Patriots, Chargers, Seahawks, Ravens, Jaguars, Dolphins who already have a franchise QB and are looking to the future. I think at least four of this years QBs become starters and perhaps one or two future HoFers. Then you have Mike White, Luke Faulk who could also move up into the first round for some of these teams.

Yes, the arm is amazing. But there is more to Allen than just his arm. Watch him in the senior bowl with much better talent on both sides of the ball then he is used to playing with. The kid shrugs off would be sackers like Big Ben and if given time to throw can put a camel thru a needle. It was at Wyoming when his line broke down usually before 2 1/2 seconds those bad things happened and Allen was forced to make the play work on his own...and that he did. Think about it, as Wyoming went 8-5 last year and won their bowl game. What happened at UCLA last year with a supposed better QB and a better supporting cast as they went 5-6 and lost their bowl game. UCLA had a receiver with 1264 yards, 9 TDs. The biggest thing Bills fans need to understand is Allen has already committed to becoming a more accurate QB since finishing college. Unlike some real bums, Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf. The only way this kid busts is if the team that drafts him gets impatient and starts him right away on a bad team and the NY Jets look like that type of team, Cleveland also looks that bad. I hope the Bills move up to #2 to get him if the Browns don't select him #1 overall.

Thanks for posting. Listening to Allen talk with Mike Mayock on the NFL network after his combine workout Allen knew his footwork was a mess last year and is working to improve it. Considering he only played two years of college ball my take is there is a good chance he can continue to improve. "And over the next couple of years you're going to see a guy who's going to be deadly accurate. I think he's going to be a superstar." I'm buying into the above statement by Carson Palmer's brother. and http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/03/jordan_palmer_on_browns_candid.html I only hope the Browns, Jets don't draft him as they will likely ruin him.

I agree with this! What Bill Connelly at SB Nation and the OP don't realize is that Allen only played two full years of College ball and we are dealing with young men who are growing, developing into full grown adults. Allen started college as a scrawny 198 lb kid and grew into his 237lb frame. Plus, he has already started working with coaches on his footwork and mechanics. This showed in the senior bowl, combine and pro day as his accuracy, touch on the ball has improved. There is no exact science to determine if a player will become the next Ryan Leaf or the next Aaron Rodgers...regardless of stats. Each college QB will develop differently depending on the team they go to and how that team develops them. I can tell you right now that Josh Allen carried his team to an 8-5 record and won a bowl game as he was about the only player who returned for the 2017 season at Wyoming. The article in comparing Josh Allen to Tim Tebow is downright moronic as Tebow always had serious issues with his mechanics and it never did get better. Allen played in a deep passing pro-style offense at Wyoming which is more difficult for a QB than say a WCO scheme in which Josh Rosen played in. Allen doesn't have injury issues like Rosen or a loopy delivery like Darnold. The only other QB I like for Buffalo in this years draft class is Baker Mayfield. Want to compare him to an NFL player? Try Cam Newton, Matthew Stafford, Aaron Rodgers. "When he’s on his game, Allen will deliver the ball into minuscule throwing windows, 50+ yards downfield. Allen has a good foundation for his mechanics, having played in a system that taught him how to take 3- 5- and 7-step drops from under center. He has a compact overhand throwing motion. Allen’s offense used plenty of bootlegs and moving pockets, so he’s comfortable rolling out to pass (arguably, his strongest suit is when he rolls out to the right and throws downfield). On a micro level, Allen has the tools to fit a camel through the eye of a needle. When his feet are lined up, and he’s not pressured, Allen will deliver incredible throws to the perfect point." From another article SB Nation, https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2018/4/5/17201220/josh-allen-scouting-report-2018-nfl-draft-film-analysis-quarterback How Josh Allen develops as an NFL QB will be determined by which team drafts him and if that team allows him to properly develop.

Rosen's tape is miles better. But then so was the team he played on with better players, better coaching. His star receiver Lasley had over 1264 yards receiving with 9 TDs. Rosen also played in a pro-style WCO offense with shorter passes...and yet UCLA finished the 2017 season at 5-6. I can't help but think that Rosen is another Sam Bradford who looks and plays brilliantly and yet only managed to play in half of his career games because of injuries. While he can move around in the pocket and set his feet very quickly. He also isn't very good at escaping a pass rush and when he does get hit he tends to get injured.

What you have when you over scrutinize a college players tape when said player only has played two years of football all you get is "part" of the analysis. The kid started college as this scrawny 198 lb weakling who grew into his bigger frame. The same can be said about developing as you go and more times than not players improve their play the more they play. You can watch two years of tape forever and it won't tell you the entire story. Josh Allen's first year of college he played with a somewhat veteran team and in his second year, everyone that had touched the ball in his first year was gone. Allen had to deal with an entire rookie class that was learning as they went. Hence the reason he was running for his life nearly every offensive play and when he did throw his receivers had difficulty getting separation and catching the ball. Most QB's when under this kind of duress usually don't win many games and yet this young man managed to carry his team when needed. In the senior bowl, Allen faced some top competition and he did well going 9 of 13 for 158 yards, 2 TDs with a 12.8 avg. He also showed accuracy and touch with his throws in the game. From what has happened since the senior bowl, combine, and pro day is a significant improvement in his footwork, accuracy, and touch. There is a REAL reason as to why so many scouts, draft analysts have this kid as a top-five pick and some the first overall pick. P.S. Where are you getting this poor mental processing stuff? Allen can read the full field and is capable of getting through his progressions at a reasonable pace. He doesn’t anticipate players coming open, but will deliver the ball when he sees a player moving into space. This kid needs some time to on the bench to develop no question and like I said if developed properly he could be another Big Ben, Aaron Rodgers.

Man, I can only hope Allen doesn't go to the Jets. Even though there is a strong chance that they will ruin him by throwing him into the fire too soon. There is also the chance that he can overcome that team's coaching ineptitude and develop into a QB the Bills will dread playing twice a year. So many Bills fans have this kid all wrong as they hear accuracy issues and say no way. This young man is a winner as he basically carried that Wyoming team by himself and won a bowl game. That team was absolute crap without him. Listen to what opposing coaches complained about when facing him in that they needed to defend the entire field from his arm. "Still, there were moments when Allen's gifts were on display. "Third down, rips an absolute freakin' dime on a rope 45 yards, hits the guy on the facemask. Incomplete," "He's getting pressured, not every time, but just about I'd say 70 percent of his dropbacks, he's either getting pressure early — before 2 1/2 seconds — or his receivers aren't separating so he's forced to hold the ball and move and avoid pressure and then try to reset and throw. Or throw on the run while a defender is closing in on him," McShay said. "What are you supposed to do?" Talking with Josh Allen he knows his footwork was a mess in college and he has been working with coaches to improve his mechanics, footwork and that showed at his pro day. This a kid that dedicated himself to be a great NFL QB and if developed properly could be another Aaron Rodgers, Big Ben. http://www.startribune.com/evaluating-allen-adversity-will-be-best-test-for-wyoming-qb/446694593/

Funny that the #1 player is an OG. Buddy Nix is somewhere cursing that any big body can play OG.

Every Bills fan feels the same way about JP Losman now. Although it wasn't his fault he was drafted by a team with no patience in allowing him to develop properly. Drafted in 2004 by Mike Mularkey as HC, Tom Clements as OC. Losman sat his first year after breaking his leg after being run into during training camp by Troy Vincent. The team brought in Kelly Holcomb after they dumped Bledsoe and he was the backup QB with Losman starting. Needless to say that Losman's offensive line wasn't any better at protecting him then it was Bledsoe and so the musical chairs of benching QB's started. Losman actually played pretty decently in 2006 despite the crappy O line and the team went 7-9 under new HC Dick Jauron with Steve Fairchild as OC. That year Losman was the 11th best passer in the NFL with an 84.9 rating. Bad lines, bad coaching and always looking over your shoulder to see if you will be benched. Two head coaches, four different OC's. Clements, Fairchild, Schonert, Alex Van Pelt and none really worth a damn. Clements wasn't bad later on but he got his first job as an OC in Buffalo. I feel bad for both JP and Edwards as they really had no chance to do well in Buffalo.

The Patriots are probably attempting to make the Bills panic and give up two farms for the Giants #2 pick for fear of losing Rosen. When in fact they are probably looking at tight ends who can replace Gronk as he is the one that makes that team so difficult to beat! The other position after letting Kony Ealy leave is an edge rusher. The Patriots did work out Chubb.

Scary stuff when you think that they have the ability to sit and goom any one of these rookie QB's and they also have the eye to evaluate who will rise to the top. As if having Tom Brady at QB for nearly 20 years isn't bad enough.

This is what first came into my mind too. Both the Steelers and Patriots have been frothing all over this kid. As others have noted I kinda doubt they have the ammo to move into the top 5 considering they are always choosing near last. Then again they could be going for another WR like Calvin Ridley, DJ Moore.

Believe it or not, there were other NFL owners that were/are far worse than Wilson. Think Wilson was cheap? Cardinals owner Bill Bidwell used to sit in on each and every player's contract negotiations. He was also the team's de facto general manager. From 1960 thru 1987 the Cards only won the division 2x and made the playoffs 3x while losing in the first round each time. I feel bad for each player on those teams as they dwelt in such mediocrity for so many years. Bidwell moved the team from St Louis to Phoenix, Arizona because of his ineptitude in building a winning team and fans stopped attending. Thank the lord for Cards fans that Bidwell left sons to inherit his team and they changed everything around. They did finally make it to an SB in 2008. Another bad owner in my view was Colts owner Robert Irsay. In 1972 Rams owner Carroll Rosenbloom traded the Colts to Robert Irsay. After the 72 season, the Colts traded star QB Johnny Unitas to the Chargers. The star QB after Unitas was QB Bert Jones and as the story goes Colts owner Robert Irsay gave Jones a new house in Baltimore as part of his signing deal and when the Colts released Jones they took back the house as it seems that Jones didn't read the fine print in his contract. Irsay did this same thing to other players like giving a car as a signing bonus to an RB and then repossessing it after the player was released. The real part comes in when a young Stanford QB John Elway heard that his favorite NFL QB was kicked out of his own house by Robert Irsay... this made Elway furious. Some reports say that it was Colts head coach Frank Kush was the actual reason as to why Elway refused to sign with the Colts. It was the former and the Colts lost out on a HoF QB because the owner was such a dick. From 1978 to 1983 the Colts were one of the worst teams in NFL history and in one game against Buffalo the Colts offense did not cross the 50-yard line all game. The team was so bad they couldn't sell season tickets so the owner was forced to move the team. Let's also not forget that after the 1983 season the packing trucks moved the team out of Baltimore in the middle of the night in a move to Indianapolis. Art Modell is probably the most hated NFL owner ever after moving the beloved Cleveland Browns to Baltimore to become the Baltimore Ravens. Because his team was losing money Modell was forced to move the team or sell it and later on he was forced to sell it anyway. ask any Browns fan what they think of Modell. 1996 to 1998 Cleveland didn't have an NFL team. In my opening sentence, I said "are" because the Cowboys owner is also the teams GM and if not for his sons being involved in the team and talking him out of drafting Johnny Manziel among other stupid moves. Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had a falling out after the super bowl years and Jones thinks he was the one that built those super bowl teams and hence the reason the owner is the GM. The Boys have been in the playoffs 9x times since their last super bowl win in 1995 and yet haven't won one of those playoff games. The owner thinks he is the smartest GM in the league. Dallas might not ever return to a super bowl until the owner steps away and hires a real NFL GM. JMO