YattaOkasan
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The part I don’t get is the overall %. It’s lower than just the three averaged. Deep balls would be the least so I would expect him to be closer to those two numbers. Something doesn’t check out.
Agree with other posters the problem is his mechanics on a lot of those throws. I’m still reminded that some scouts thought he might be 10k fewer throws than the other QBS in that draft
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On 4/6/2020 at 2:10 PM, Chandler#81 said:
and then there’s Barkley..
He lost a throwing competition to isaiah mckenzie last year ?! Seriously that video of barkley trying to throw a plyo ball was ugly.
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3 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:
Matt Milano has outperformed his draft position, he is not a bust and is a very pleasant surprise.
Sammy has not outperformed his draft position by a very wide margin. That makes him a draft bust.
Gotcha. I agree with him being a bust. But wouldn’t say he sucks. Thanks.
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3 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:
Yes. Where he was drafted cannot be ignored. (IMO)
So Sammy sucks? Then Milano should be HoF because he was drafted in the 5th round?
I agree with your thoughts about the GM and the draft. But when I evaluate players in the league I don’t care where they were drafted.
Your logic would have had us not make the Hughes trade (a 1st rounder not playing well) for Sheppard (a meh middle round pick). You have to evaluate the player without mind of where he was drafted.
and yes you evaluate the GM based on where they picked the player.
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42 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:
So, players shouldn't be judged based on their draft position and GMs shouldn't be judged based on their drafts. Participation trophies for all. Wonderful.
Watkins was drafted #4. He has not come close to living up to that potential and based on draft position, he sucks.
Whaley moved up to draft him even though he didn't have a QB to get him the ball, he sucks.
You mean he sucks relative to his draft position? Clearly he doesn’t suck if he’s getting 9 mil as @thebandit27 said.
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7 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:
No they already picked up Longs option which triggers guaranteed money. Williams is probably 50/50 to even make the roster
Over the cap has a savings of 2.77 mil if he is traded post June 1st. I could see the Beane wizard getting a late round for him in training camp. Based on positional flexibility i would say he is the mostly likely to get moved.
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5 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:
I get what you're saying about Know not having a lot of opportunities at Ole Miss but then again maybe they didn't throw to him much because they knew he had hands of stone.
The problem might simply be that he lacks hand-eye coordination and that's virtually impossible to teach. I'm not going to rush to judgment on a rookie but the drops are concerning. He's not getting any love from me - beyond the love I give all players in a Bills uni - until he proves he can be a reliable target for Josh.
It usually looked like he took his eye off the ball and started looking up field. Josh has a cannon so that probably didn’t help when he took his eye off the ball. For now I’m hopeful he can improve.
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Just now, 947 said:
Jets may have all of the top-3 WRs in available to them in the draft. Plus Crowder is a solid Slot-WR.
If they go WR and not OT I will be very happy. Hell WR over CB would be great too.
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30 minutes ago, Mango said:
Dude, haven’t you ever been to a Bills game where we put up 19 points (our average) and lose and people say “yeah but did you see how many TD’s per throw we scored, it’s basically a tie”This place was melting down like every week with how few points we scored when we won (I agree we should score more). So.... no I don’t recall those situations.
I do recall a lot of leads in the second half with a great defense which caused us to sit on leads and not throw. To me this leads to less TDs per game but more TDs per attempt. Based on this (anecdotal as it is) I think TD per attempt would be better correlated with winning and long term QB success than TDs per game.
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32 minutes ago, BigBillsFan said:
Total TDs is how they rate you for greatness. I made 2 separate arguments.
Total TDs thrown per game is a far better metric to understand if the QB will make it past 26-28 yrs old and still be a good QB. If it's total QBs you're destroying your body. TD % is worthless stat. Sure there are exceptions, but exceptions prove the rule. I'd rather take a guy who threw for 35 TDs with a lower TD % than a guy who threw for 20 with a higher one if the turn-overs are about the same.
Please show me the receipts that TDs per game is a better predictor than TDs per attempt.
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Just now, Cripple Creek said:
Irrelevant to yourself, perhaps. It is, however, exactly where the Bills are right now. Allen performs well in 2020 and shows improvement in his personal performance then he buys the FO one more year. If he regresses, isn't seen as improved over 2019 then it's a different story. That extension isn't far off and I'd put $35m at the bottom end of what "franchise" QBs will be getting if our world returns to "normal."
So QB contracts in the next two years are gonna explode so much that an unprecedented contract will be bottom end for a franchise QB? I feel good that Mahomes will reset the QB market and it won’t be for 40 mil so I don’t think 35 mil will be bottom end.
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1 hour ago, That's No Moon said:
Yes, but they have had the option to extend Brady on a multi-year for the last couple years and chose not to. They have had some decent QBs through there recently and I don't think BB will go into a season without a functioning QB at his age. There is a distinct possibility that they just go back to physical football and defense like they did before Brady was Brady. Knowing the the league has to prepare for teams like KC by getting smaller and quicker, a team that commits to pounding the football right now could have some success.
Brady was part of the equation there, admittedly a big one, but BB is the thing that has made it work. In the 20 years Brady was their QB that team evolved at least 3 different times to match what the team had and/or to do what BB thought would work to counter what the league was doing.
With what Baltimore is doing I don’t think you’re gonna catch a good team that can’t stop ground and pound. I know it was our “weakness” last year but we still could handle how one dimensional they look like they will be.
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31 minutes ago, Tipster19 said:
tIf Murphy is not entrenched on this roster, warranted or not, then my thinking is acquire an asset that would grow in value. Taking on Penny’s acontract would be no big deal and needing him isn’t the same as using him. We don’t need him but if he is going to be anywhere near the player that he is projected to be than we could most certainly could use him, if not this year than next. If this is flawed thinking than why do we still have a 29 year old player that has never played NFL football before still on our roster like we do with Christian Wade? The guy is from another country and doesn’t even know the rules of the game. I’ll tell you why, it’s because he has ability and is viewed as an asset, that’s why.
Sitting on Penny is like sitting on a stock. The better he performs then the higher his value goes. If Murphy isn’t in the Bills’ future plans, and I don’t think he is, then this is a low risk investment. A part of the success that the Patriots and even the Eagles under Andy Reid’s watch were to buy low and sell high. They would do that by trading off players a year or 2 before they were done and obtaining veterans cheaply with a year or 2 left in the tank. I don’t see Murphy being much more than what he is right now. I’d rather have a former 1st rd 24 year old with a very high ceiling than a soon to be 31 year old that pretty much has maxed out. The McBeane’s are here for the long haul and it’s calculated moves like this that maximizes your opportunities.
Wade is here cause he doesn’t cost anything (not even a PS spot last year). I don’t think he makes the 53.
You say sell high buy low but we aren’t selling high on Murphy (would be buying low on Penny). But why wouldn’t you just trade a late round pick for him if you want him. Murphy still has value (yes overpaid but still value) that will be difficult to replace.
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1 hour ago, Cal said:
I think Diggs won't be happy unless we restructure
Why? Stiffer penalties in the new CBA for holding out is what I’ve heard and I haven’t heard any noise about him wanting a new contract. Go watch some highlights.
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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Advanced rushing and receiving with drop % for Diggs here:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DiggSt00.htm
Player advanced receiving (with drop %) here:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/receiving_advanced.htm
Can't believe I didnt think to look in the advanced section, Thanks! I feel better about drops with the posted above and I feel better about the fumbles considering 4/6 career fumbles happened last year. All worries about this removed again.
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31 minutes ago, BillsFan3434 said:
I love this trade just as much as the next guy because Diggs is a stud. I just hope Allen knows how to use him. Looking at the highlights from 2019 and a lot of those throws are pinpoint accurate from cousins.
I saw some pinpoint ones but i saw a lot underthrown balls too.
@GunnerBill reading Weos post and i was looking for drop % and couldnt find anything too helpful for receivers, but I did see he had 4 fumbles and notice some clips with him double handing the ball. I'm a bit concerned with that but kids a stud.
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3 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:
Agreed with @Turk71 QB hits had me a bit concerned. Would accept that he didn’t play a lot of snaps as a reason (looks like he was playing >70% most weeks).
Sorta the anti jerry Hughes so maybe it works particularly if his snap count is much lower than 70% (don’t know how much of that was rushing vs coverage). Overall think I’m gonna like the singing once the numbers come out.
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3 minutes ago, Turk71 said:
Michael Gallup had a practically identical season to Diggs, is he a dominant force too?
Gallup has 20 more targets and played across from Cooper. That’s why Diggs is dominant.
his complaints early in the year are likely target related when the team was struggling (weird note he bipolar games in loss then too 1/7 in a loss to GB and then 7/7 in a loss to chi). We should review the tape of that GB game to see what was going down.
lastly to those talking about him wanting to change his contract, would you acknowledge the bills have some leverage in this deal. Dude would have to hold out for 4 years of his prime and lose 45 million dollars. He’s pretty fairly compensated but a bit underpaid. I had he talked about upping his contract
Just now, BuffaloBillsGospel said:I don't hate the move but if this doesn't workout that is a heck of alot of players we could have had for 1 but of course if it does then nobody really cares about the compensation.
I don’t think those players make this team right now with as deep as it is.
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2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
Maybe it was bills news consolidated but someone was saying he was a LorAx clone. Seems that way despite how hard that was. As Beane said he’s never seen another player start their career at DT and convert to LB and have a career. That hole is definitely filled now.
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Just now, dje85 said:
Former Panther of course we signed him. Slight overpayment probably thoug but o well not my moneys. Yay new base olb.
I see it reported now in the main thread. He looks up to date at least
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3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
I called this way back in Jan. Not bad deal. Guessing it is really a 1 year deal wrapped up as a 3 year.I agree good deal. Looks like maybe 2 years but easy out third. Could also do the shorten and guarantee like with Kroft if he doesn’t quite pan out.
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He says we signed AJ Klien. Has that been announced?
I thought this was a good fit. Think it was cover 1 or some other blogger that identified him for me.
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2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
Has been updated.
considering how far down the list a lot of our players are and that were ranked 20th overall. McD doesnt get enough credit for the job he does.
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20 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:if they started the day with 90M. Ended Day with 61M. And only signed players tell me how ROOKIE contracts mater. It is the Structure
What am I missing? Over the cap make it seem like they started with 62 mil cause i dont see any of the new contracts on there. Also Spotrac has similar with 61M but none of the newer contracts
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/cleveland-browns/
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/cap//
Also thanks for all your updates. They have been great.
Edit: Tried playing with the Spotrac tool to build a roster and couldnt add any of their new players so maybe its accurate but not showing current contracts. However, I thought they usually waited and had things like cap automatically calculated based on inputted contracts which again i dont see for the new players. Confusing.
Double Edit: Now very sure the 62 mil is wrong. In overthecap i could sign players to customized deals and i mimicked the deals from today with money spread out evenly and got down to 39 mil. Dont think that is accurate but i am very confident if spotrac or overthecap is the source of the browns 62 mil then that is an illusion.
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A Compilation of Some of Josh's Bad? Throws
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Fair number of those throws though were quick reads from a clean pocket. I think those are wrong reads which I would agree is a processing problem (an accurate read vs a quick read).
Honestly as a pure thrower Allen is super impressive if he has time. Heard he was the only one in the class to hit the cross bar of a FG from 30 yards out. Then he did it in 2 (maybe 1) throws with Simms. When he throws the fastball it can get away from him but his load to target is insane too.
Again as part of the processing I think he needs to know when to use each of those tools. Accuracy for the man plays. Load to target against that collapsing zone. Again he hasn’t played as many snaps (Hs + camps + college + NFL) as the other guys in his class so I am very hopeful he can grow.
Now with the tools the expectation is gonna be pretty high (division and a playoff win seems reasonable).