YattaOkasan
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Im with @TheyCallMeAndy and C. So Ill say Zach Frazier
Screams McD (4x wrestling state champ, Dad played in college). iOL could easily be the play if you wanna keep McGovern at LG (though Collins signing makes me skeptical).
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On 4/22/2024 at 3:00 PM, Mat68 said:
I dont see him as anything but the second 3 tech on the roster. Tough to draft a guy at 60 to be a back up. Oliver coming off a career year and new extension isnt going anywhere. His game doesnt really fit as a 1 tech.
Yes it maybe a back up role but back up 3 tech will get a lot of snaps. They will likely play ~50% of the snaps. Do we have another position where a player @ 60 could get that many snaps (let alone impactful snaps)? Safety, WR, iOL are the only ones I can think of. Safety and iOL they would have to beat a vet for the job which shouldnt be an expectation, and I would argue 70% of snaps at WR is less impactful than 50% snaps at DT because every DT snap matters and not every WR snap matters.
In terms of Ed's contract, I like the idea of him and a rookie ending their contracts at similar times so we can presumably have his replacement ready to go when his extension is at an end. I dont think that would be a tough pill to stomach. I would be pumped for obvious passing downs to have Rousseau, Fiske, Ed, AJ. Thats a young group that I think could get after it (especially up the middle).
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On 4/18/2024 at 5:17 PM, DJB said:
It’s clear with all the rotation of power backs we’ve brought in that haven’t gotten it done that we are interested in drafting one
Its a shame we aren’t waiting until next yer though when the class is infinitely better than this historically bad class
lol it was the fact that we only have 2 smaller in stature RBs in the room after FA that gave the interest away to me. Theyll def take one, but I dont think they are looking for a workhorse. Should be able to find a back that can convert short yardage and provide pass blocking. Everything else is gravy to me.
Do you think we should wait until next year for that? Feel like there are a lot of those players available every year.
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22 hours ago, HappyDays said:
We need a big physical WR out of this draft. Coleman, Legette, Polk. I'm sick of our WRs getting pushed around in the playoffs year after year. Shakir and Kincaid aren't that type of talent. It has to come from the draft.
I agree and would add Baker to the list. Raw for sure but seems to get separation at the catch point because of his physicality.
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4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
So I just thought I'd add to the debate about the relative strength of this WR class compared to the last five (as per @transplantbillsfan's original comparison). I have my boards to go back to so I know what I thought at the time and not with the benefit of hindsight and here it is:
2019:
0 first round grades
1 borderline 1st/2nd grade (AJ Brown)
4 second round grades
4 third round grades
Total day 1 & 2 grades: 9
2020:
3 first round grades (Jeudy, Lamb, Ruggs)
7 second round grades
8 third round grades
Total day 1 & 2 grades: 18
2021:
3 first round grades (Chase, Waddle, Smith)
5 second round grades
4 third round grades
Total day 1 & 2 grades: 12
2022:
4 first round grades (Olave, Williams, Wilson, Burks)
1 borderline 1st/2nd grade (London)
7 second round grades
5 third round grades
Total day 1 & 2 grades: 17
2023:
0 first round grades
2 borderline 1st/2nd grades (Addison, JSN)
4 second round grades
7 third round grades
Total day 1 & 2 grades: 13
And for comparison based on my current board....
2024:
4 first round grades (Harrison, Nabers, Odunze, Legette)
1 borderline 1st/2nd grade (Thomas)
5 second round grades
9 third round grades
Total day 1 & 2 grades: 19
Conclusion: Only 2020 is really comparable to me of the last five classes in terms of both high end talent and depth through the first two days. I also think both classes saw something of a drop off after that. The only two guys who made a significant impact taken after round 3 in 2020 were Gabe Davis (who was a third round grade on my board) and Darnell Mooney (who I hadn't graded). I think it is similar with this class. Sometimes you get a day 3 with lots of interesting toolsy underclassmen who haven't quite put it together or you get really productive guys who are smaller or play for small schools. I don't see much of that in this group. So I think where that leaves you is if any class is going to have a Tee Higgins and Michael Pittman out of round 2 it is this one. But they were the first two picks in round 2. I think that (first 4-5 picks of round 2) is the limit of where the Bills can reasonably expect to be and get a potential difference maker in year 1. If they wait to #60 they could get a guy who contributes this year and maybe even develops further over the next 4 years but their chances at that spot of getting a rookie difference maker.... that feels like you are in total pot luck territory.
Would be so happy with legette at 28. Such a good fit for what we need. Love how variable his assessment is
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58 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:
I'm not much of a draftnik, so I don't have a clue. I just don't want us spending a pick on an RB when we have bigger holes elsewhere.
Don't want us spending a pick even. Wow. you know we have 10 picks right? You think there are 10 more pressing needs than a room that ONLY has 2 players in it (both with similar skill sets). Theres snaps to be had at this position. I expect a pick, UDFA, and probably a FA signing as well. Need bodies.
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14 hours ago, Victory Formation said:
I think #28, next years 2nd and this years 4th would get it done.
I dont think so. Draft charts I'm looking at have #17 as 950 and our #28 as 660. Our highest fourth this year #128 is worth 44. Rule of thumb is subtract around for future picks so the best next years second could be valued at is 265. Thats just enough to get it done but pick 91 (what wouldve been our third) is only worth 135 which would be well short of whats needed. I suspect Jax would value our 2nd more like pick 91 though maybe vikings 2nd we have now could get it done.
https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=buf
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Just now, NewEra said:
Cool. I’m confidant he’ll get drafteddrafted before rd 6.
id be thrilled with him in rd 5 and believe he’ll go rd 4, maybe 3
Would you be ok with him round 4? I think no. I would be happy with him there but round 3 does feel a bit much.
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55 minutes ago, mannc said:
I hate to break the news to you, but the fourth round takes place on day 3 of the NFL draft.
Yeah realized that a bit late. Point still stands about why not include the 4th round for this discussion. I think its more likely we pick one in the 4th than 6th or 7th.
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3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:
The Bills have done a pretty good job identifying these guys as UDFA the last couple of years with Raheem Blackshear in 2022, and Antonio Williams in 2020.
Normally I don't love using draft picks for RBs, but we have so many late-round picks it makes sense to spend a 5 or 6 on one.
Agreed they have found talent but those were players were werent really expecting to play. This year feels more like the year we drafted Moss. We needed a RB that year similar to how we need one this year. I'm sorta expecting us (hard to expect anything in the draft) to pick one in the 4th.
It feels like a position that has snaps available versus possible upgrades or depth (CB, S, LG, DE, DT).
As you mentioned a vet FA could do that but i think a draft pick makes more sense for our cap situation.
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16 hours ago, NewEra said:
I don’t see Allen as a 5-7 rd guy but I’d be very happy if he fell to us in rd 4
Why limit the convo to day 3? Considering we have a huge need at RB (only 2 on the team right now) we will be drafting one. I dont think the value is there in the first two rounds but would definitely be happy to have a reliable short yardage and pass pro RB in the 4th.
Do you think all our other needs are greater than RB that we shouldnt consider RB in the 4th?
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2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:
I would wait until the 5th or 6th to go down that hole. There are also a good number of vets still out there JK Dobbins, Dalvin Cook, Boston Scott, Zeke Elliot, Kareem Hunt, Cam Akers...dudes who at some point are going to have to take a nothing deal. Cam Akers is the same age as a bunch of these guys in the draft.
I guess a min deal for those players would be good but i like the idea of upside that you could get with a rookie.
Considering we only have two RBs on the team right now(!) I think its gonna be both draft and a free agent signing. We need bodies for camp and the season.
I would hope the rookie would be the plan to play with the vet setting the floor of play for the position (especially around pass pro). If thats the plan I think you dont wait til the 5th for a player that you expect to play (not that you cant find good talent just seems crazy to expect them to play right away).
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Surprised at how little talk there has been about RB. There are carries to be had in this offense and snaps to play as a pass blocker. I think we are taking one with a 4th and that player will get a fair bit of run (assuming they are more physical than Cook and Johnson).
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1 minute ago, BritBill said:
I'm no gambler but I bet Beane isn't as confounded as Greg Tompsett.
So it makes sense to trade someone in the first year of their extension and take a cap hit thats really hard to eat. Im still confused how this happens with the cap. who are we cutting?
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23 hours ago, Shaw66 said:
I often analogize to basketball, and I think football is much more of a coaching game than hoops. As the number of players goes up, the complexity goes up, and the importance of individuals goes down.
Agree on importance of coaching being directly correlated with number of players. But would also posit that coaching importance is also directly correlated with number of stoppages in the sport. Football has a lot which allows lots of opportunity for direction. If you can give better direction you will have an advantage.
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I think its 4th or 5th rounds. Trade back to get a 3rd seems more likely than ever. Then bundle picks to maximize number of picks in the top 100. we could get good talent at multiple positions that could use an investment (WR, T, iOL, DT, DE, CB, S). DE is really the tricky one cause it sorta needs a first round pick to have a good shot at providing impact. Commanders 40 and 78 for 28 and 144 seems pretty good for me. Then we could have 40, 60, 78 with 128 and 133 as opportunities to move up if you bundle late picks.
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On 3/22/2024 at 4:48 PM, billsfan89 said:
All of these make sense except Bo Nix? The Bills are not going to draft a QB high up and Nix is likely to go at least in the first 2-3 rounds. Maybe just kicking the tires on a player?
Could be a good way to better understand the system and thus what is asked of Troy Franklin?
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26 minutes ago, mrags said:
Yeah I’ve already said this multiple times. I don’t have a list. I’m not an nfl GM after all. The point is you can’t come out and say you want to get younger. And then go and pick up guys that are just as old as the ones you e released.
I’ve also said it at least a dozen times. I don’t care what players are there. If you’re not getting a difference maker, just take an undrafted player that’s hungry, healthy, and driven and hope to get the best out of them. Save the little money you have and try and throw it at the few difference makers that are out there that might actually help you. If the response about this guy is only going to be a 4th or 5th DT anyway; then there’s no reason to spend the little money you have on a vet minimum or more, when you could find a rookie off the street (there will be plenty there after the draft) for less money.
I don’t believe they will draft 2 at DT. One at best. And it might just be a 6-7th round pick.
I think what youre missing is younger in regards to our big contracts. Yes we still have the same average maybe but the cuts had bigger contracts than the people we replaced them with.
Also "hope to get the best out of them" seems like a terrible plan. I (and seemingly McBeane) would rather pay a bit more to get known quantities while were competing for a championship, that little bit of extra money will likely not move the needle for a difference maker. if we were rebuilding then sure throw a UDFA out there (Levi Wallace), but now that were contending you need to not play a UDFA (if we can help it) that can be exposed. Heck our 3rd rd LB got exposed by the giants and patriots and you wanna just hope for the best with a UDFA.
We'll see about the draft but I think they will prioritize the trenches.
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2 hours ago, Beck Water said:
It didn't change much, but against Pitt, I think we were more focused on stopping the run and short passing game, and telling the Reindeer to beat us deep if he could.
It's a little tough to decode because 3 different players played OLB and at least 2 different players took on Rapp's role, but as best I can decode the Bills played 2 LB about 75% of the time using Spector then Klein then Williams, and played 3 safeties (Lewis, and then Hamlin) about 25%.
Last week against Miami, Dodson/Spector played 75% of the snaps and Rapp played 25%
Against the Pats where they were very much run/screen focused, Dodson played 87% and Rapp 13%
So they do mix it up, but I think that 75%/25% split is standard, and they just expect Cam Lewis and/or Damar Hamlin to backfill for Rapp.
Agree with your breakdown and how they have used that package. I hope it remains obvious passing downs or that KC don’t play hurry up after a long 3rd down conversion cause Poyer in the box against a Pacheco rush is gonna be tough for us.
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11 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
If Bernard can't go, Poyer may play closer to the line more often than usual
Did that change when Bernard went out against Pitt? I dont think it did. I expect Poyer to still play in the box on obvious passing downs but on 1st downs would still expect the nickel package. Was really happy they stuck with dime in passing downs when Taron went out (Hamlin became the dime DB as Cam Lewis moved to NCB).
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1 minute ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:
Spector and Bernard are the ones I am now most worried about. Initial reports sounded like pain management issues. If they can't even walkthrough...
Was today a walkthrough? Arent walk throughs projections if it was a full practice? Happy days has been on point so im gonna continue to trust.
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4 minutes ago, Logic said:
The thing that stands out to me is that our passing offense simply looks to be "behind the times".
When I look at the passing offenses of Sean McVay, Matt LaFleur, Kyle Shanahan, Mike McDaniel, Bobby Slowik -- so, basically, all of the Shanahan coaching tree guys -- I see creativity, cheat motions, orbit actions, variety, legal pick plays, and receivers who are schemed wide open.
When I look at the passing offense of Dorsey and now Brady, I see more or less static formations, less creative personnel usage and deployment, less variety, and much less of receivers being so open that you wonder "how the heck did that happen?". To be clear, it's not that there's NONE of this stuff. This offense does, at times, show some of these things. It's just that if you watch it over the totality of a whole game, and then compare it to the Texans, Rams, Packers, etc, it just doesn't seem nearly as dynamic and modern.
I don't believe this is something that can be fixed in-season. I'm hoping the Bills do a thorough offensive coordinator search in the offseason. Let Brady interview and give his vision for the offense going forward. If he wins the job, then so be it, but don't just hand it to him. I want more modernity and creativity in the Bills offense. I want to see what Josh Allen would look like in a truly forward-thinking offense that makes life easier on him.I think its very difficult to fix in season (not necessarily impossible) and thats why you saw so much trouble with it early. But we have seen pre snap motion and play action rates increase the last few weeks. I see plenty of schemed open folks and honestly think Brady is getting into his bag at just the right time. Heck Kincaid was schemed open for two TDs this past week. Isabella had one drawn up for him. Watch the all-22 with how they use Cook to uncover the middle of the field. That stuff is there.
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2 hours ago, HappyDays said:
It is but we keep hitting these offensive lulls in the middle of games that allow inferior opponents to stay in the game or get back into the game. It has happened in every game since we blew out the Jets.
This week i think the lull was literally us trying not to make mistakes. The third down check down short of the sticks with a big lead caught my eye. As soon as they got to less than 14 points what happened. The cut it to 11; we march down the field for a FG. They cut it to 7 and we march down for a TD.
I agree that their were lulls in the win streak that were concerning, but this offense looks to be picking up a lot of momentum going from Pats > Miami > Steelers.
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3 hours ago, QB Bills said:
Maybe it's just me and I'm romanticizing the latter Daboll years, but the passing offense still seems a bit disjointed, does it not?
A lot of the success seems to come down from broken down plays that Allen has to improvise on as opposed to guys being schemed open or even the odd gadget play. I agree that a big chunk of Allen's success will depend on him just not thinking and going off-script at times but I think back to some of the games he had earlier in his career and how they made everything look so easy, even against some really good defenses.
Keep hoping every week that they can get things together but I don't think that's happening without a new OC. On the other hand, I think Josh is that good where he can single-handedly win you the next three games to make this point moot but I would still love to see what he could do with some fresh blood in the coaching room.
What did you need to see last week? 70% completion rate. Targets to everyone. No turnovers. Counter to you broken play comment, josh average getting the ball out in less than 2.5 seconds per Joe Marino.
Guys have been schemed open a lot. Just cause you aint seeing it dont mean it aint happening. Andy Isabella had a big one schemed for him that didnt hit cause Josh missed the pass. Remember the Kincaid sail route against miami. That happens cause Brady schemes it up with Diggs coming across the formation. Heck the Kincaid shot call was per Josh Allen a game plan call (they schemed it up in the week) where they sent 3 verticals against 2 safeties cause they knew the look they would get.
You present no evidence and just your feels. Sheesh.
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Coleman = Benjamin, Davis = Moss - Beane players
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I think the basketball background has to help with body positioning and high pointing through traffic. Wasn’t who I wanted but excited to see what he can do