YattaOkasan
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5 minutes ago, Augie said:
I heard a crazy stat on Sirius that like a third of kids who come out early don’t even get drafted. I wish I could remember the details, but it was shocking. More than I expected, but as we know some kids aren’t really made for loving college.
I think a lot of them have degrees already. They are just early in the sense they could play another year.
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So we’re getting close. I saw maxx was sniff the board. Is it D Thompson at safety that we’re thinking? Shareef from PSU? Getting to guys I know little about.
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Been a pain trying to tell people this all draft.
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At least it’s not in the first?
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Can we just trade a 6th to the bengals now to get in front of the cheats and give them 7 total 6th rounders.
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Just now, Awwufelloff said:
We have average weapons for Allen again this year. All our RBS are old and slow and our WRS are below average IMO. Get Allen some help.
Do it in draft with talent. It’s pretty clear no GMs think the WRs are good this year. I will accept a TE
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Just now, WideNine said:
I don't think my boy Oliver makes it past NE....crappers.
Moving ahead of them should be easy. We’ve jumped already.
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1 minute ago, Freddie's Dead said:
There goes Isabella. Is DK another Shaq Lawson?
Clearly past that point now
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1 minute ago, Niagara Dude said:
Then Beane should have done after Taylor who was one of the best tackles available
I loved Taylor but I’m gonna trust Beane on this. All I wanted was a good OT at that spot. I trust the process that they got a good one
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Just now, Rc2catch said:
And thats probably bye bye for Nelson Aghalor?? Lol I can’t spell that last name
Watching Myles Jack out produce him (rushing yards vs receiving yards) while covering him the whole game in college was great film.
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1 minute ago, JerseyBills said:
I thought Murphy showed glimpses , but I wanted an elite edge rusher , which wasn't available yesterday . We took care of the biggest need yesterday though , now we have a legit inside rusher!
But also Shaq probably becomes a FA, unless he has a great year and they exercise his 5th yr option. Lorax is likely gone like u said. Hughes is a FA next year but I think he gets re-signed. So ya i wouldn't mind a DE come to think of it . I'd rather see TE or S (McD loves that big Nickel)
We can’t exercise his 5th option. The deadline has passed
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Good pick. I know there was a lot of desire for WR but this class is good at OT.
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More tackles falling please.
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Just now, glazeduck said:
You and I aren't arguing about Taylor, that's somebody else...
Harry played well against a really bad Pac 12. Brown and DK played as well or better in a stellar SEC. I think that's the difference to me. My only issue is that you can't evaluate a guy in one or two words. I'm extremely confident that both Butler and DK will be good-great WRs in this league...
I threw Taylor in as an example of good OT still on the board.
Harry did play against a down Pac 12 but he was changing the outcome of games. I didnt see that with any of the guys you listed (now with tape on all). I am not confident Butler will hold on to the ball enough and DK is too one dimensional. I am also leveraging the analysis of the other draft scouts (too much tape for any one person).
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1 hour ago, glazeduck said:
That's fine, it doesn't seem like you've done a whole lot of research, I happen to think your opinions on the first two are incredibly incomplete and am not sure how you can be unsold on someone you know absolutely nothing about, but so as long as you're not Brandon Beane, you're certainly entitled to having less than a completely researched opinion.
I think I've done adequate research between tape and reading others analysis. I watched the Butler tape. Was not impressed (too many drops). I was high on Harry based on his tape. I saw bits of AJ from the DK tape. I'll look at a game now, but I don't think his game is there. I DID see Taylor man handle Josh Allen and really everyone against him. We can disagree about if the tackle talent is better than the WR talent in this draft.
Finished the Auburn game for AJ brown. I don't see the upside relative to anyone we have currently. He had 2 big gainers and a TD. Also 3 balls that hit him in the hands (2 were difficult catches the other he got hit hard on). Caught him loafing on several plays. I dont see it (I was more biased in this game than all my other evaluations probably). His stats were super interesting when considered with the film I've seen (one game and pieces from the DK review) he appears to be a boom or bust guy (not much on a bubble or chunks of yards cause he got into open space). He honestly reminds of a poor man's Sammy. Lastly, it seems AJ kills it during garbage time and against over matched opponents. I contrast this with Harry who was often making game breaking plays in the 4th quarter. What are you thinking AJ brings that we don't have in the WR room?
I can tell you Taylor is a beast on the tape. Finally 4 OTs off the board in round 1 and only 2 WR. This draft is good at OT. We should get one so we don't need one in a down year next year.
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1 minute ago, glazeduck said:
DK, Butler and AJ Brown are all very talented WRs, regardless of class who would add to the talent in our locker room.
I've said this before but I'll repeat it, our WR corps consists of:
- Smokey Brown, who has bounced around and never really *made it* anywhere -- that's not all bad luck.
- Zay Jones, who's had half of a solid season and literally almost killed himself prior to that. Hopefully he turned the corner, but not a guy I'm counting as a rock solid producer for the next decade.
- Robert Foster, who went undrafted and had half a season of success (after getting cut by us -- one of the worst teams in the league last year, after seeing what he could do for 4 months...) Like Zay, hopefully something clicked and he's turned a corner, but it's just as likely that teams were disrespecting him/Allen and forcing them to beat them with the long ball.
- Cole Beasley -- good slot guy but he doesn't offer a ton in the way of dynamism or mismatches.
- Duke Williams -- the CFL is not the NFL and he's already flamed out once...
Not exactly a murderer's row... At this point everyone has their warts, but a good coach can find ways to win with the guys I mentioned above.
Yeah I think our assessment of the WR room is the same (not looking long term with any one but Cole really), but DK can't change directions/Butler has the drops/I didnt watch tape of AJ. Like I said I'm not sold on any of them. I think our OL room is only slightly better than our WR room so thats where my focus is with pick 2. Good discussion thanks!
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1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said:
Because he sucks! Don’t recall ever being so justified in my belief than to see every team pass him by. Some with multiple picks!
Oh! Wait a minute.. DK.
Because he sucks! Don’t recall ever being so justified in my belief than to see every team pass him by. Some with 3 Frekin Picks!
I liked his tape against Josh Allen. I thought he could be plug and play RT. remind me what your thoughts on him were. Agreed on DK.
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1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:
Oliver graded out as a Elite run defender
I love Meatball......one of my all time favorite bills....the fact is Kyle Williams play was slipping the last 2 years...he was NOT the player he once was and he never graded out as a Elite run defender.
We improved......and then you have Horrible Harry in his second year to go along with him and two other NFL veteran starter DT's in the stable.
We improved
The other part is we don't have the meatball now. So we needed someone in order just to maintain what we had with him else we were slipping. I agree young Oliver could be an upgrade over Williams from last year.
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2 minutes ago, glazeduck said:
I don't think we can afford to wait and give our franchise QB "serviceable"... The talent is there now, the risk has been removed, and we don't have any completely glaring holes elsewhere (aside from TE), but I addressed that too...
I just don't see the talent now is all. I could live with it if they decide, but I dont trust anyone on the board really. With the tackle position I see lots of good.
I'm not sure what you mean by the risk (its a lower draft choice?, its still a 2nd rounder!).
I'm cool with your TE plan. I agree with no glaring holes, but I would use that to pick from what the draft is good at for the future. Feels as if you want to try to land a superstar skill position player. I think the most probable outcome in that scenario is our pick at the skill position isnt that good and we are in need of OL next year when the talent isnt there in the draft (cause we have so many short contracts to serviceable OL).
I'm ok with different approaches, but let me know if youre thinking something different.
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20 minutes ago, glazeduck said:
If I had my way, we'd wait on TE and OT...
Take your alpha WR at 2 (DK, Butler, AJB in that order), get a TE at 3 (Sternberger, Oliver, Knox, Walling) and then you can take a developmental T (Edwards) and DE in the 4th.
Or for that matter, trade one of the 4s and maybe a 2020 3 or 4 for Solomon Thomas -- I like that solution even better.
I'm waiting to use a lot draft capital on WR until next year. This year is serviceable and will be dependent on Josh Allen (same thoughts for RB). We could still use a late pick on a flyer, but next year is deep at the skill positions so thats when I would spend my draft capital.
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12 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:
I like the pick ... I will predict that the book on him, however, will be to run right at him and wear him down. How the D handles that strategy will go a long way towards his success
DL rotation? I think thatll be fine. Put Phillips in for 40% of the snaps like they are planning to.
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56 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:
so if you draft two, that brings the total up to 15, plus good chance they sign some undrafted OL on Sunday. So which 6 or 7 do you plan to cut? And in doing so, while it may be good long term, it may weaken the line this year as now have two rookies that may not be ready to start, but now ended up cutting veteran depth to draft.
I'd prefer the other route as mentioned, draft one maybe for depth and let him sit. One I'm good with two I feel is too many. The line last year was so weak leaves question marks about Dawkins and Teller, so would rather get one more season of seeing how they develop first. Assuming they improve to quality starter level and you likely will have Morse and Spain as two other starters long term, you might only need one more strong starter. And understand that assumes they extend Spain.
You can trade OL too. I wouldnt be surprised to see one or two of our FA OL signings get traded during camp. Their deals are great and other teams might realize they need some help.
I dont want to see how Dawkins and Teller develop any more. I want them to have to compete and win a position.
Long term your logic is assuming there is an extension for Spain and Teller works out. I don't think they want to be tied to that. This is supposed to be a sneaky good tackle class so I would recommend getting one as that is the position you still assume they need a starter.
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1 hour ago, glazeduck said:
Better being the operative word. Not sure he'll ever be a high-end starter though.
I don't think DE is the spot to focus on here (or possibly at all, in this draft), but if we look later, a guy like Crosby, Ximines or Joe Jackson probably makes the most sense.Based on the depth of the draft I think youre on it. We need someone to develop but I like the 2nd 4th we have to pick Crosby. I want the next 3 to be offense with a tackle and TE
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To those saying WR I think next year's draft is more stacked; thus, I think they stay away from it til next year. I think they go with the deep parts of this class OT, TE, DE. I would take Irv, Taylor, Ford, Winnovich or Ferguson. As others have mentioned, throw in a late pick and move up (I don't know the points sorry) to get the guy you want.
Zay Jones looks ripped
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Would the apples to apples comparison be yards per target? These numbers actually made me hopeful for the kid. He’s likely gonna stay his rookie contract.