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Lol at cherry picking. Would you like me to cherry pick sack % (3rd), hurry % (6th), or hit % (5th)? They are top 10 in ALL metrics, hardly cherry picking. Blitzing: I dont understand your logic here. It seems to be that cause teams think we are not great at pass pro we are getting blitzed more (true on more blitzing), but you dont disagree that the blitzing is NOT leading to pressures (or literally any other stat). So I dont understand your point. If anything it proves my point that were good at pass pro cause even though they are sending extra more often STILL all the pass pro metrics are good. Lastly on this topic, I think teams are blitzing cause they have realized they can't sit back and play coverage. Do you think KC blitzed caused they thought the OL couldnt block? If so then why didnt they do that from the start of the game. Rather, Allen was slicing and dicing them when they played coverage so I think they decided to throw the kitchen sink at him. Agree we have red zone struggles (and would agree if you think its likely cause of poor run blocking). But what does instant pressure mean and how do you track it? You seemingly just made this up. As I said, we are poor in the red zone, but you fail to tie this to pass pro in any meaningful way other than "instant pressure." I get you dont think the pass blocking is great. But to this point you have provided no evidence (other than a subjective grade of one player), while I have refuted all of your challenges to my assertion. Im not saying everything is great with our team, but focus on something that is truly a problem please.

Who's grading? Again pressure stats are saying awful is just not true (still assuming you agree OL is only as strong as weakest link). I am comparing to last years numbers so for the moment my standard is overall play last year. I can pull the individual games from last year from pro football reference in a bit. I agree getting ball out quicker is helping. But lol the pressure rate is half what it was last year. I dont think a change in pocket time from 2.4 to 2.3 would have that much of an affect (some teams with the same pkt time as Bills have double the pressure rate), though there seems to be a correlation between pressure rate and pkt time. Dont have time to throw metrics handy for allen but believes hes about average. Agree pin and pull is running style we need to employ, and the run blocking is not good enough. But for me pass pro >>>> run blocking.

So terrible that we have the lowest pressure rate? OL is consistently something thats described as only as strong as your weakest link. Unless you disagree with that hes been fine. I think your specific concerns for him coming into the season were injuries? I think you have to agree those have not been realized. From my perspective he hasnt been as good in the run game as I would have expected, but I think hes been much better than expected in the pass game.

I thought he was not great at guard last year. Conversely I am very happy with pass pro to this point. Bills have the lowest pressure rate in the NFL (link below). Just awesome. I got grief before the season for saying the OL would be much better. That poster then tried to say that Saffold was at best a wash for Williams. Pretty happy with how that has turned out. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/advanced.htm

I think what some folks are saying is they did move him to play in the slot more already this year. Hes done good and i agree with you wouldnt make him a primary slot or slot only. But Im fine that hes getting more slot run. As for Shakir, I agree with poster up thread that said Shakir for zone and Mck for man.

He had two defensive holding penalties. I also think he had some trouble in coverage. Agree he was fine in the Steelers game which may have given them confidence to run this defense, but I think Benford is a better coverage player (and overall defender) so is better for this defense. Agree DaQuan is just awesome this year and he is critical. I think it puts a lot of stress on DL to get pressure (otherwise coverage will breakdown eventually). Thats probably why we havent seen it in past years.

Love the 3-2-6. It’ll be weapon in obvious passing downs with mobileQBs. My only concern is Neal as the 6th DB. I think this role goes to Benford when Tre works back in. Dane will be back up to Elam and White on the outside as Benford offers a bit more physicality from the slot area.

Agree. Was trying to figure out from where. I think from Miami. Gave us a lot of flack for saying the heat is advantage, but Minnesota won. I assume hes frustrated they have lost 3 in a row and came on here to troll.

Agree that’s a team stat also agree with thoughts upthread that there are some things each does a little better than the other. One that’s not mentioned for Josh is that he’s a better deep ball thrower. The improvement in that part of his game has been so important. Mahomes missed throws yesterday going over the defenses head. Hard to picture josh doing that this year.

Diggs is getting those free releases in the slot this year and unshockingly hes getting more production. That he has produced so much while being almost exclusively on the outside the past two years is amazing.

Whos gonna meet Poyer when he drives in today? That dude is awesome.

What? Who did we pay? Saffold? Dawkins and Brown and Bates are all in house peeps on reasonable or rookie deals. Quessenberry got not much. Morse predates Ford. Are we still in that set back period? I think OL has been good to great in pass pro.

I think the laser light show suffered from teams going 2 high against us. Early on in 2020 peeps were still playing man.

Agree on Dorsey. Feel as if he has schemed to neutralize the likes of Donald, Simmons, and Heyward. All three of them are forces up the middle getting after the QB. Quick game is the perfect scheme to neutralize those type of players.

Is there a problem with Pass Pro? I think its been good to great. Light years ahead of where it was last year at this time. Could things be a bit better? Yes. Should we make a high investment? Yes. But I feel better that Josh is not just running for his life like he did in the early part of last year.

Twice is the limit I believe (unless changed from last year)

Since Hyde went down I have thought they would bring him back before the bye. I think he gets sprinkled in this week to get him up to speed. I was onboard for waiting till after the bye but that was before our DBs got ravaged.

Thank you. He had a pick and looked good that game. Was a step back this game but considering the context I’ll give him a pass.

Oddly though it’s the vertical passing game that was so good for them this past week. I think they may still try to push the ball down field. Winning our pass rush is critical if they do attempt to push the ball.

Appreciate Hyde coming in there and saying something

yeah thats fair but we also dont have enough data to know how well they are performing yet this year. So the "more with less" (thats probably imprecise on my part even) is in regards to past years and why Josh doesnt have the same accolades.

Fair, and it may have you been up thread that said Mahomes is ahead because of MVP and Sb. I respect that. I think Allen does more with less, but agree that its a conversation is amazing.

You mean the bills need to beat the Chiefs. Allen did pretty great in the playoffs and regular season last year. I'm not putting 13s on Josh. IMO two years ago they were clearly better, last year that gap was gone. From that trend I think were gonna be better. Our ability to get pressure from the edge will be the difference (previously relied on pressure up the middle which is a strength of Chiefs now).

The CBs that Diggs and Allen are putting on the wall are pretty impressive. Ramsey, JC Jackson, Lattimore, Howard (to a degree he got a pick last year) have all been got. Thats the top 4 form this CBS list. wish we had better weather in the Atl game cause i think terrel might have been put up on the wall too. Humphrey, Ward, and Alexander will be great matchups to watch.

Can be elevated just for the game and then go back to PS without clearing waivers. Same as past two years. Though I think they do this with bryant first. "Two players can be elevated from the practice squad each week to be eligible to play, as was the case the last two seasons. A player could be elevated to the active roster twice to the active roster under a standard elevation twice and revert immediately back to the practice squad without having to clear waivers." https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-makes-minor-changes-practice-185906799.html