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TBD Parking Thread--Packers Sunday Night Game Hammers Lot
Coffeesforclosers replied to plenzmd1's topic in Tailgate Central
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What a shame, he was having a hell of a year.
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Glengarry Glen Ross is a great movie.
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My answer is the central point of my argument. I repeated it to see if you'd actually argue against me. You didn't, you argued against what you wanted to argue against, rather than what I argued (ain't broke, we're getting awesome results, don't change anything). Is my point unreasonable? Ah, so you were making a "Gotcha!" post so you could try and mikedrop on me with your knowledge. That's dishonest debating. Is there any reason why I should believe have the expertise you claim to have? Can you prove it? No, I argued that all of what we're doing is working just fine to support Ukraine and we shouldn't change it. I supported my argument with evidence that anybody anywhere can look at for themselves. So they can see if it supports my conclusion. What part of my conclusion is wrong? So the CIA lets you in on their operations? And your posting about it here, where anybody can read about it? That's not very responsible of the CIA. Good! I'm looking forward to your reply. We're both honest guys so this should be a constructive conversation.
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The whole "Ukraine is corrupt! We should give them less, or nothing at all!" argument would be persuasive. Except: 1. Ukraine is currently winning the war. 2. Russia's lost about 7,300 tanks, trucks, APCs, jeeps and artillery pieces in 8 months. See for yourself. 3. Russian propaganda is bitching non stop about how good NATO gear is. 4. Russian propaganda is bitching non stop about how well the Ukrainians are using NATO gear. So I think the RoI on our support is pretty decent. We're also entering month 9 of a war that was supposed to end in a week. And end in the bloodless conquest of Ukraine by Russia, followed by the very bloody forced assimilation of Ukrainians to Russian culture. As part of Russia's plan to reshape the world order to it's advantage. Which currently isnt working out exactly as they'd hoped, to say the least. Now the rise or fall of Ukraine may not matter much to a lot of us Americans, given the troubles we've got ourselves. But it matters a great deal to a country that does not like us, and in fact wants to see us humbled, humiliated, and reduced in power. Balancing these issues is tricky business, but they both need to be resolved in our favor.
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Oh yes.
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Iron Maiden picked a good night to play a show in Worcester MA. Otherwise I'd jave to watch the Broncos.
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I'm all for a ceasefire, assuming the Ukrainians are holding the whip hand going into the negotiations. Otherwise, Putin's dick is in a sausage maker and his hand is on the crank. He can stop cranking whenever he wants to. Also, did we secretly deploy actual NATO units to the war, and nobody's said anything? I'm still trying to figure out how we're fighting in this war without our military actually, you know, fighting in it.
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Here's a gif of how the front lines have changed. It goes from February 24 to October 4th. The Ukrainians are doing pretty well for being taken basically by surprise by a country that outnumbers them 5 to 1. The summer was very rough on them before they got a hold of MLRS/HIMARS, but they've been doing pretty well ever since. There's a great article on the defense of Kyiv early in the war here: Battle for Kyiv: Ukrainian valor, Russian blunders combined to save the capital by WaPo. It's a great read for anybody who's interested in what good leadership, a motivated, armed citizenry and a motivated, skillful army can do against a dumb, arrogant opponent. The language is a little breathless, so keep an even keel.
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Exactly. @B-Man posted a great article on how wars end, which a bunch of people in this thread didn't bother to read. It makes this point. Ukraine is winning right now, so they're not going to bother negotiating, because they aren't stupid . Russia is losing right now, and negotiating would only compound how weak they look. All of Putin's foreign policy leverage comes from intimidation. So negotiating is a no-go. So here we are, 8 months into a 4 day war. Which makes me sad, because even the Tsar knew when to take his L and try and see the big picture. But that was in 1905, and nobody predicted that Japan would sink the whole Russian navy and smash every Russian army they fought. Russia was the 2nd greatest land power in the world at the time, and it was supposed to be a walkover. Eerily familiar.
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BARNBURNER ALERT - Commanders @ Bears TNF
Coffeesforclosers replied to EmotionallyUnstable's topic in The Stadium Wall
You know it's bad when they're relying on Fitzmagic's cleavage to draw an audience. Not to show my age, but the NFL should replace the announcers with Statler & Waldorf. -
It really isn't. For some reason the hard right/alt right thinks we should appease Russia because reasons. The hard left/far left thinks Imperialism is only bad when America does it, so they support Russia. Reasonable people in both parties tend to support Ukraine, because its a really, really easy issue to be right about.
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Bailey Zappe coming for McCorkle’s job?
Coffeesforclosers replied to YoloinOhio's topic in The Stadium Wall
Cam, Stidham, McCorkle... bring on the Zappe Era! QB purgatory is a wonderful thing to watch.- 50 replies
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