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Just once I would love a couple teams to trade for "future considerations." Not trade for them necessarily, but cash them in. You used to hear it all the time......so and so traded to team x for player x and "future considerations." I just want to see at the end of the 7th round "Team X has traded the 241st pick in the draft to Team Y for the future considerations they were owed from 2013." Just think it would be some fun for a round that drags by every year. Ugh....almost there.

I've watched him play so many times and never once did I come away completely wowed. Just never really saw "IT" with him. We need a backup, but I don't need it to be him at all.

I don't know where teams have him ranked, but with our team and the way it's built, a 7th rounder isn't making the roster. Practice Squad, sure. So, I would have no problem giving this kid and his family the thrill of a lifetime and drafting him with our last pick if he's still there.

Still a bunch of picks to go, but it will be very telling on how bad the Bond situation is if the Chiefs or Ravens don't end up picking him.

A lot of people out there saying we aren't help Josh Allen. And, while I can agree with that, I think the Bills are looking at it a bit differently. It looks to me they are jut telling Josh, go out and do what you have done the last few years and we will do everything in our power to make sure the defense doesn't let you down in big spots again. And finding a way to make that 1 last stop is how they think they are helping Allen. Now, to me, I think Allen is the best QB in the league and instead of playing to your strength, you are holding him back. Sure, we score 30 a game. Great. You know what's better? Scoring 35-40. Surround the dude with fast, explosive talent and just run teams out of the building. But that's just now how they want to go about it. The good news is, that we can score 30 with this offense and that we are only a couple of trades away for legit WRs from getting to that next level. I am just not sure Beane is going to try and make those deals at this point.

All this talk about Bond...... Look, I am sure the Bills and every other team have looked into this as much as possible and it's become pretty obvious there is something there to be worried about or someone would have taken a swing already. He was, in my opinion anyways, a 3rd/4th round talent. We're getting late in the 5th and nobody has touched him. Not ever a rumble about him. So, without us knowing what the teams know, it is tough to watch a talented guy that seems to fit everything we need continue to fall, but I trust the organization's thoughts on the situation. All that said, Beane needs to get us a legit WR and I am not sure it is happening in this draft. It's easy to say the offense will be fine because we didn't have a star last season, but let's not pretend that once our offense was put on tape the first 3-4 weeks that we struggled once teams figured out what we were doing and it was like pulling teeth to score for a while and we were forced to go add Cooper to the mix to try and jumpstart the offense. It worked, but not quite to the full extent we were hoping. We need to find a legit field stretcher that teams have to prepare for. I am pretty sure that answer is not in this draft, though. It will be up to Beane to explore trade options and to pay attention to the FA market going forward.

Out of all the picks we have made so far, this one offers the most value and probably the highest floor and ceiling. Going into the draft, I did a lot of work on him, especially when I heard how many times the Bills met with him and called him. It was almost like they had already drafted him and they were in constant contact with him making sure he was doing the right things to get ready for the season! HA! Obviously, that isn't the case, but you could feel the interest was genuine and could tell after watching just a little of his tape that the guy screamed "Buffalo Bills" as there is just a lot to love. You start with the guy himself. You couldn't ask for a nicer young man with his priorities in order. Mature far beyond his age. He lives and breathes ball and his passion for the game seems second to none. His motor is non stop. He's a great teammate and his guys love him and follow him. He's a leader. He's an alpha. He beats guys super fast with great hand usage, but even when he doesn't win right away, he stays with the play and never quits fighting where you see a lot of guys just phone it in after their initial move doesn't work. He is relentless. Smart player that recognizes what he sees pretty quickly and rarely is fooled on a play. Uses his length very well which makes him good against the run as well as the pass. Quite honestly, while most had him rated as a 2nd rounder (as I did before the draft), when you watch him, you see so many flashes and great athletic traits, sometimes you go back and wonder why you don't have him rated even higher. The fact we got him in the 3rd is just wild to me. Many on here that have never watched him are looking at him like another Epenesa. I've got news for you.....this dude is an Epenesa replacement. Epenesa is not in the same class athletically as this guy. Whereas AJ would have 1 great game and then disappear for 3 weeks, you won't get that from this guy. He works so hard on every snap that he will find a way to make an impact in some way. So yeah.....I am raving about him. Why did he last until the 3rd round then? That's a good question and I am not exactly sure why he fell as far as he did. He's not a finished product by any means. Right now, he wins with his hands and relies on his speed to get around the edge along with his relentless work ethic. He can win inside as well, but his pass rush arsenal is a little limited. You won't see him bust out a spin move or use a bull rush as much as you like. He's a technique guy. So, what he will have to do is develop a couple more moves so when tackles take away the outside, he can counter and win in other ways. He's only here one season most likely, but this dude should be attached to Bosa's hip and soak up as much knowledge as possible. I kind of wish Von was still here as well because I think he could have learned a lot from him in terms of developing his secondary rush plans. But with his work ethic, I am confident with the right coaching and direction, he will figure this out. But make no mistake about it. This guy will be as good as he wants to be. He has every physical tool you could ask for. There are some that have thrown out the Maxx Crosby comparison. You almost hate to do that with anyone because Crosby is on such a high level, but when you watch him, you can see why the comparison is made. He plays with the same relentless motor. He is all out every play. He said it a lot in his press conference, but it's true.....he's a dog. So, when I say he has a high floor, I mean that he will be a solid contributor for this team for many years to come. When I say he has a high ceiling, I mean that he absolutely has the potential to become a game wrecker.

Love the traits and he would be perfect with one of our 3 fifth rounders. He just doesn't have a route tree at all. He runs a go, a post, and a slant. That's about it. The rest of it needs work. But, you don't see guys 6'5" running 4.3 very often. I would be happy to take him and see if he can expand that route tree. In the short term, though, just put him on the field once in a while and just let him run and hope to hit a few.

Way too early. You will have a chance at him probably for a couple rounds to come.

He's not the big space eater that many wanted, but I think this pick make it crystal clear what their true mission was heading into next season: WE HAVE TO GET OFF THE FIELD ON 3RD DOWN No....this isn't about stuffing the run on first and second down. This is about affecting the QB and forcing the QB to get rid of the ball. While not a true 1 tech, he can play there and you will absolutely see him lining up next to Oliver on 3rd down. They are looking at lining up Groot, Sanders, Oliver, and Bosa with the potential of Solomon coming off the edge (if he takes the next step in his development) on 3rd down. They are sending pressure up the middle and from the outside to make the QB throw in under 2.5 seconds against our secondary that has one of the best in the league in Benford and a very talented rookie in Hairston or a rejuvenated Tre White if he returns to form. They are going to try and force mistakes and speed up the process. That said, don't discount his ability against the run. He's not bad at it by any means. He plays with violent hands and a lot of power while having some twitch to his game as well. He is going to compliment Oliver nicely because Ed like to get up field using quickness and technique whereas Sanders relies on throwing guys around and using his physicality to affect the passer. The beautiful thing here is that if we want a true space eater to chew up first and second down, there are plenty of those types that will be available throughout the rest of the draft. We still need at least 1 more DT just to fill out the roster, so there is still a chance to double dip and get a guy to anchor on obvious run downs if we want one. Make no mistake about it, Sanders is an absolute scheme fit and will definitely help us be better on 3rd downs which have been a problem for us for a very long time. At this point, I am not against grabbing a guy like Watts or doubling up on CB to round out this defense in round 3.

I think they came all the way from 52

Yeah......I don't get some of the people trying to compare him to Elam. They couldn't be any more different as players. Elam was a man coverage guy that had very little zone experience. He was a handsy guy in college and was never able to shed that in the NFL. And he never grasped zone concepts at all. So, when you are a man coverage guy that can't play man very well and could never understand zone concepts, you are probably not going to work on a primarily zone scheme. In contrast, Max is primarily a zone guy (over 75% of his coverage snaps were in zone) with good man coverage skills that can get better with proper coaching. They are completely different prospects. Comparing the 2 is just lazy.

I can understand where the confusion comes in with this. I have been reading write ups that tell 2 different stories. Some call him a zone corner. Some call him a man corner. What I will say is, based on my tape breakdowns anyway, is that he is a very good zone-match CB with solid man coverage skills. He did play off a lot matching switch releases reading the QB and then driving on the ball with his great speed. But, there were plenty of times where they lined him up on an island and he played press man or played off a bit but used great trail technique to stay in the WRs hip pocket. If you are interested to see a little bit of everything he does, including the good and the bad, go watch his game against Texas and watch him go against Golden and Bond. He wins a bunch, but loses as well in man coverage. There are also good examples of him in zone coverage where he recognizes the play and drives on the ball to limit RAC or force an incompletion. You will also see him miss a tackle or 2 that led to bigger plays, but I do think at least one of those was a busted coverage or just a bad call. Regardless, you will see him play in all types of coverages. There is one play that really stand out int this game that showcases who he is as a corner. He's lined up on Bond who looks like he is running a go but Bond sticks his foot in the ground and turns it into a post. But, after initially getting beat, Max catches up to Bond very quickly (Bond runs in the 4.3s by the way) and high points the ball in the endzone and knocks it away. It is just a beautiful play. Maybe the throw could have been a bit better, but that's the way it goes and Max made the play. So, what is he? I'd call him an excellent zone-match defender with solid man coverage skills that can improve with proper coaching and adding a bit more weight to hold up better against certain types of WRs. Hope this helps!

Solid pick. Great speed and recovery ability. Doesn't back down even against bigger WRs. May not win every battle, but he will absolutely compete until the end of the play. Not a great tackler, but is a willing tackler. If he can put on a little weight and sturdy his body up, I think he could be really good. Right now, he will be a better zone corner than a man corner, but it's not like he's bad at it. I mean, he's pretty good in man now, but he does get boddied from time to time. Great attitude and teammate. Quite honestly, I love that Tre is here for him to learn from. They are kind of similar in a lot of ways except he has a lot more speed than Tre. But I think he can learn a lot from a guy like Tre and it may accelerate his development. They will compete for the same spot. May the best man win!

UGH.....This is turning the wrong way very quickly.

That one hurts.....

This is the start of a potentially bad stretch for our board. Lots of teams with the same needs we have. Gonna have to dodge a lot of bullets over the next several picks. And, if there is a guy that Beane really wants, he may have to make a move in the next 5-7 picks.

I like Grant. Don't love him. I think there are better DTs still there and this a reach if you ask me. Others like him more than I do, though.

I think Miami was trying desperately to trade down. Problem is, you need someone wanting to come up and this just isn't the point in the draft where that is desirable. That said, without tipping it, will probably upset some people.

Man.....if the Bills ever take a RB in the top 10 of any draft going forward, that might be the end of me. Just put me in the ground. It's absurd.

Man.....it's strange watching the Browns do good things with draft picks.

It may be the wrong thing to do, but man....I take 1 look at Campbell and wonder why I am supposed to fear him at all. Short arms. Small hands. Not the biggest guy. It's the kind of pick a division rival takes and I say "thank you".

I'm sure that's the plan, but who knows what happens this season. What if a QB needy team out-tanks the Browns? I don't think a team needing a QB is giving up Manning no matter how much is offered. It's a craps shoot. It gives them ammo next year for sure, but they could win just enough games to miss out on that top pick. Will be interesting to watch it play out.

On the surface, I like this for Cleveland, especially getting a first next year. But the fact that they even have to do it because of the hole they dug for themselves is wild. They are still so far away from winning anything.

So what......can we have a real time thread then and just not spoil the picks in the general draft thread? That would be "discussing it somewhere else", right?