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Perfectly put. Although I do enjoy free agency and the Draft.

No. He can be an overachieving #2 for us. That said, if his body language continues to be as bad as it has recently I might have to change my vote.

This makes sense as you probably had the whole section to yourself or walked down to the first row right behind the Bills bench because no one was there. I'd be terrified to go to a game in Miami. You can walk around that stadium for hours before making human contact.

These do all sound familiar. Have you already given up on 2014 though? If you are already predicting the coming excuses, then you must already believe that we'll need excuses next year. I like a lot of our pieces, and with a good draft, I think we are playoff bound. That said, I guess I'm what Homey D Clown would call a "blind optimist". I don't get what is wrong with realizing your team isn't/hasn't been good for a while, while also recognizing that we have more talent than we've had in some time. Why watch if you don't have hope that it can be turned around. Just look at the Chiefs. I think they are overrated, but either way, they're in the playoffs after having a horrible season last year. A year that also included many bright spots (6 pro bowlers). That sounds a lot like us. I'm not saying you are one of these posters but do you know who's worse than the excuse makers and "blind optimists"? The negative visionaries who, no matter what the outcome in any situation, criticize the result and act as if they knew all along how things would turn out. Hindsight is the only view they have. If Byrd doesn't come back and plays well: "See, I told you we should have kept him. Management is awful". If Byrd does come back and doesn't play well: "See, I told you we should have let him go. Management is awful". Their opinions don't come out till they see the results. I'll take the excuse makers over those people any day.

I know a lot of people are rooting for us to lose so we can get better draft picks but not me. I would love nothing more than for us to win out starting with a 34-10 beat down today. I don't think playoffs are realistic but I'm not giving up hope until we are mathematically out. Why? I'm a glutton for punishment I guess. Also, the weeks following losses are the worst, and rooting for us to lose doesn't make me any less dejected when we do. GO BILLS!!!

Every time I watch Kelvin Benjamin play I think about how good he'd look in a Bills jersey.

I thought they played defense in the SEC. I favor Florida St over either team by 17. (Fast forward 4 hours to Florida St losing to Duke now that I say that)

No problem. I always enjoy your posts and appreciate your perspective and objectivity.

In all fairness, he did say in his post that he wanted to draft Taylor Lewan and play him at RT. Also, he didn't say anything about Urbik. Legursky sucks. I think a guard in the second round is more than fair. Just because he posted his draft wishes, doesn't mean it was a personal affront to your post about not drafting a guard or tackle in the first round. I personally think we've had success in the early rounds lately so I'm not against it. Wood (1st round g/c), Levitre (2nd round t/g), Glenn (2nd round t/g). To Nisher, if we could get Skov in the 3rd I'd be ecstatic.

Based on this response I can only think you are confused about my previous comment and the stat which he provided. Where in the post that I was referencing did the poster reference Kevin Kolb or even the Bills?? All he pointed out was that all of the playoff teams have had their starting QB'S all year. The rest for the most part haven't. Take the Bills angle out of the equation and it's still a telling statistic. I guess some people would call it an "excuse", and you are obviously one of them. Question. If you got into an accident because your car hit a patch of black ice, is it a reason or an excuse? To your point about Kolb being one of the worst acquisitions in franchise history, what should they have done instead? Alex Smith was not coming here. Nix was dead set on drafting a franchise QB as well. What good QB was going to come here knowing that he was just going to be a stop gap until the rookie was ready? By the way, I didn't like the Kolb signing either but I still don't know who else would have been better so I can't put it in the worst moves ever category.

You're right. Providing stats is silly. We should all clearly just be making blanket statements about Manuel based on our own personal biases or on our need to be right about the opinions we formed from the get go.

Your argument that the team knew what they were getting into with certain QB's is valid. If Vick (or any running QB for they matter) is your QB, you know you are probably going to have to deal with injuries at some point. There are exceptions like Rodgers, Cutler and Bradford. But it looks like you mistakenly interpreted the statistic given as an excuse. I believe the poster was just pointing out that no matter how good a team appears to be, if the starting QB goes down, that team is screwed. It's not an excuse, it is just a telling statistic.

Lol. Luddite! Fair enough. Preferences are ppreferences. I'll admit I gave up on baseball. I don't have the 6 hours it takes to watch one game only to have the team I'm rooting for lose on a call that could easily be corrected by the use of replay. And the only reason the right call can't be made is that "it's how it has always been." Great reasoning by baseball. Don't change archaic rules for the sake of...

They were caught and penalized. End of story. I hate them just as much as everyone else. All this thread sounds like is sour grapes. For everyone here that thinks they still cheat, I've got some more conspiracy theories for you guys to go nuts with. 1. We never landed on the moon. 2. Pop rocks and Pepsi can kill you, it killed Mikey from those old cereal commercials. 3. Elvis is alive. 4. A magic bullet killed Kennedy. 5. The pyramids were built by aliens. 6. Obama isn't an American. 7. A guy hung himself in a background of a scene in The Wizard of Oz. GO BILLS! Yeah. They also ran kindergarten offenses compared to what they run now. The game is so much more complex.

Nationally maybe. But locally, he was a starter on their baseball team, was the top QB on the first Elite 11 season shown on ESPN and was the top QB in the nation his senior year.

That is a very real and very sad truth. It's also important to remember, especially in celebrity cases like this, that although there was an accusation it doesn't mean that Winston did rape her. Edit. Celebrity cases being more likely than others to have ulterior motives involved like money etc.

Reports look pretty damning for the girl. She apparently wasn't drunk as she had stated and there were two different male dna samples found that night. This will probably stick with him for years either way.

Here you are wrong. Marrone was the Saints OC from 2006-2008. You denying it doesn't change the FACT that he was OC. If you meant that Payton was the play caller, then you are correct. I'd also contend that it could be harder to turn around a school that doesn't get anything above 3 star recruits. A place that no kid from the south or west wants to go because of the climate in Syracuse. Yes, they play in a dome, but the kids that have never seen snow except on tv have to live in and go to class in that snow every day. He got good production out of average to below average players at best. (With the noted exception of the Jones bros) P.s. You meant integral. I don't believe "intrical" is a word.

Who is right? You obviously aren't understanding my argument. My contention is that it is way too early to tell whether either or both coaches will be good. Do I like what I've seen so far, yes. They have shown promise and they have also made some mistakes. They're rookies, just like so many of our players. . Coaches need to start somewhere too. Remember, people thought Belichick couldn't coach when he was fired from Cleveland. He's now viewed as one of the best ever. Only time will tell with Marrone and Hackett. Thank you for your sage advice as well. Your wisdom and knowledge far surpasses anyone with a different or more open-minded opinion than yours. Your knowledge of the game and the past four coaches is far superior to my own. You should ask yourself the same question you posed to me about how outsiders view our coaches because you are self admittedly jaded. I've only heard a two national experts asked, and they've both been impressed with how our coaches have done this year. They were John Clayton and Brian Billick. You were absolutely correct about one thing. Only time will tell.

The normal definition of audible is "able to be heard". The football definition of audible is "a change in the offensive play called by the QB at the line of scrimmage". (Google definitions) You added "orally" to your definition to accentuate your point. Football audibles can be made using hand signals in addition to shouting them out. Just saying.

If it wasn't for the Browns getting over on the Colts in the Richardson trade so badly, I would have said we had the most lopsided trade of the year. Hughes for Sheppard looked like an afterthought when it happened and look at the dividends. Oops. I take that back. We did have the most lopsided trade of the year. It was when we traded draft picks that essentially equated to Tavon Austin for EJ and Kiko. Damn, this front office did a hell of a job. I expect it to really pay off next year.

Very well thought out arguments. You've convinced me. Hackett stinks. Marrone stinks. Only failures and retread head coaches and OC's should be hired from now on. Marrone might have been the OC for the Saints and then the HC for a program that he resurrected, but that's not enough experience. Hackett sucks too. He should have been able to get Jeff Tuel to put up 600 yards on the Chiefs D instead of 500. How dare he not get more out of rookie and back up QB's throwing to mostly rookie and second year players. The audacity of him to have a pulse and relate to his players.

The conjecture is what makes this debate great. It's great because you both agree SJ isn't reliable. He's using math and logic to say that although SJ isn't reliable, there is no way to correlate a guy being a giant turd with not being clutch. You are saying that the correlation is fair despite numerous exceptions to the "rule" you are presenting. I'd have to side with Jauronimo here, but thank you both for the entertainment.

Up 1-0 in conjecturing sure, explaining not so much. Btw. Thank you both for this wildly entertaining debate. I really was not feeling up to just staring at spreadsheets all day today.

I agree that he gets better when he has no choice but to take chances. I'd have to disagree that he's being taught to check down. I'm basing my opinion on the fact that there have been reports that Hackett has implored him to take chances and trust what he sees. Per these reports, two of the meetings where this was stressed the most was after the Jets and Steelers games. Games in which he was extremely hesitant. Also, if you look back at his college career, he was never a gunslinger. He was always trying to protect the ball, sometimes to a fault.