BarleyNY

Feel free to debate my points, but please do so like an adult. Spare me the mewling about my level football knowledge. If you require someone to be a NFL scout or GM in order to discuss such things, then you shouldn't post on or visit this site. Your childish whining doesn't help your cause either.

I'll be hanging with friends, quite probably at my house.

I was transferring when I typed that. And aren't you supposed to be enriching our youth at 9:20 in the morning? I really want a lot of a wide receiver addition. The current offense with Taylor is going to require a speedster who can get deep because we are going to have to stay run-first with vertical passing. But I want to look past 2017. I'm not convinced Watkins will be around in 2019 and I think it's unlikely that Taylor will. We might need more out of this player than just running lightning fast fly patterns. The offense might require more of him at that point and he might need to be the #1 WR. That's a tall order, so let me simplify. I want a speedy WR who can either be/grow into a #1 or quality #2. He's got to do more than just be fast though. So who fits that? Mike Williams isn't fast enough, so I'll pass on him. Davis is an excellent route runner in addition to being very fast. He fits. Despite his injury concerns I'd be happy with him at 10. I don't see Ross as a great fit despite his speed. I'm not sure he does much else. I also don't think he's worth maneuvering for. Pass. In the second round I'm looking at Godwin. He is plenty fast and, can run routes well and is big, tall and aggressive. My sleeper is Chad Williams from Grambling. Big, fast and strong. He has a chance to be as good as (or better than) the WRs at the top of the draft.

I'm just trying to think of all of the other QB prospects we are discussing at great length who check all of these boxes. Who are the others that:- have a litany of off the field red flags throughout their high school and collegiate careers - couldn't learn a fairly simple college offense which resulted in coaches simplifying it for him - have poor pocket awareness - have terrible footwork - have poor weight distribution on their throws - are short - have substantial injury concerns I can only think of one that is close to that. But, hey, he's got a strong arm, throws with anticipation and is Jim Kelly's nephew. There are a lot of sh***y collegiate players I don't waste my time on. But I'll make an exception here.

Agreed. If he wasn't related to Jim Kelly there'd be no discussion of him anywhere.

That's a fact. A WR to apply pressure to the defense's deep zone across from Watkins is of tremendous importance. It not only keeps defenses from keying on Watkins, it also takes pressure off the run game. There's no reliable player like that on the roster now, but there needs to be. It's the team's number one need right now, although the defensive secondary is damn close.

I'm seeing 2nd/3rd round on CBS. That's much more reasonable to me. I'm not even thinking of him at 44 though. He's not even a guy I'd be excited about in round 3 of this draft. Yes. I see a 4-3 DE. Someone might try to convert him to a 3-4 OLB, but that's a huge projection. YSU DE to NFL 3-4 OLB is an incredible change and jump forward. You're probably the only one on the planet wanting to see that. Well, you, Gronk, Brady, Belichick, Kraft, etc.

Definitely agree. Finding that elusive FQB would sure go a long way.

Those are some accurate reasons, but Whaley has blame too. He hasn't been better than fair at his job and it's real tough to go from talking about how you're building a quality team to needing a full rebuild in two seasons. He'd also have to explain why he backed the hiring of a coach (McD) that is going to require a revamp on both sides of the ball. No, it's a very short walk from "this team needs to completely rebuild" to "time to get a new GM". Whaley would have been playing very short odds with that tack.

Whaley couldn't exactly tell the Pegulas that the roster needed blown up, could he? "I was against the Rex hire and that's the reason we haven't won." is the way he had to sell them on retianing him. "Our HC sucked and our roster sucks." just would've gotten him thrown out alongside Rex. I was in favor of a tank and rebuild, but Whaley can't do that at this point in his tenure here.

Can't argue with the positions addressed.

Probably hoping to get his money in FA next year. I wouldn't blame the Bills if they had insisted on a multi year deal.

Gilmore wasn't overpaid. Spotrac calculated his fair market value at 5 years, $73.3M. He took a 5 year, $65M deal to join the Cheatriots.http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/stephon-gilmore-9820/market-value/ I thought Woods was probably overpaid, but Spotrac calculated his FMV to be 4 years, $32.2M. He got 5 years, $34M. It doesn't look like he was overpaid either. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/stephon-gilmore-9820/market-value/ We don't even know what Brown's contract is. Kinda hard to make a call on that until the numbers are in. Spotrac has his FMV at 4 years, $18M. We will see on that.

Sonofabitch.......this is more complex than I could've imagined.

While I'm not lobbying for a WR at 10, I don't see how WR isn't a screaming need. Right now the Bills have the oft-(and currently-) injured Watkins, some JAGs and hope. It's a position that should be 3 deep at minimum in today's NFL so I'm incredibly concerned with the current WR corps. And if your rationale is that Taylor can't get the ball out to the WRs anyway, then you've hit upon a totally different problem.

I doubt they really exist. That's fair. It also covers the gyro and pita debates.

I'd say WR and DB corps are both incredibly thin. LB isn't as bad as either of those though. Obviously, your point stands. Projecting a WR to the Bills at 10 is just looking at a team need matching up with likely player availability at that point. The top notch DB prospects will likely be gone by 10 and Williams and/or Davis will likely be there. I'm not enamored with Williams though. I'd rather Hooker or Adams be the pick, but they will be long gone unless Adams has worse injury concerns than are public. I don't know that CBs are valued highly enough in McD's defense for the Bills to take one at 10. McD does need a stud LB for his defense though. If he thinks there is one available at 10 I see that being the pick.

Fantastically done.

I would not.

The players who are the best or are great values would fetch the most. That's not really who a team should be looking to trade though. Players who are about to fall off production-wise and become poor values contract-wise, players who don't fit the new scheme or players that are likely to leave soon are the best candidates for trade. Kyle is one that would make sense. A Super Bowl contender might need a DT at some point and be glad to get a quality one year rental. He's almost certainly going to retire or move on after 2017 anyway. Ragland might not be a good scheme fit and he'd be cheap so he'd have some value. There are obviously other players that would fetch more than either of these two, but they wouldn't really make sense to trade.

QB, S, CB, RT, WR & best value of S/CB/TE/DT

It is in line with the traditional draft value chart, but teams rarely give up such a high quantity of picks for a single pick. It just screams that the writer said "The Bills have a bunch of needs and I've got a lot of players I like, so I'll just engineer a trade that'll make it all happen."

Especially when teams need to have 3 starting CBs and a 4th who is at least competent due to the heavy passing in today's NFL. Nickel is the new base defense. I really don't see it happening. I expect one or two CBs to get drafted by the Bills, but not with 10. McD's Cover 3 doesn't need elite talent at CB to be effective. I'm not a Peppers fan. He just looks like a guy who did well in college, but doesn't really have a home in the NFL. Not big enough to be a LBer and not good enough in coverage to be a safety or even a LB/S hybrid. He's exactly the opposite of what you'd want for that.

So.........you're just figuring out that most fans have unrealistically high assessments of their teams' off-season moves? Well okay then.

I'd like to personally thank the Bills for making McD the voice of the franchise. He has been handling it well since getting here. Whaley was brutal in that capacity.