BigPappy

Just looking at Tampa's QB line up makes me want to vomit if I was their coach. But Houston is a very close second. While Fitz is not a stellar QB, he can be serviceable if the Houston O line holds up. If Fitz was not on the team, I would put them ahead of TB in the bad QB line up. BigPappy

My Bad Bandit, I must have missed it. Seems most everybody here gets their knickers in a twist when you bring up Donald Trump, the tread is growing to fast to keep up with all the posts. BigPappy

Bandit, "Most successful business men--who have large inheritances--..." is not what I meant. I actually typed what I meant. Ask any highly successful business man or woman and you would find my statement to be true. I know this because I have seen and heard it said countless times by business owners that make it big. I am not really sure how you see it relevant that he inherited his money. He attended Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, an Ivy league business school. Whether he inherited 200 million or borrowed it from M&T Bank is irrelevent. He still took 200 million dollars and turned it into Billions. All that said, he really is not my first choice in ownership either. My choices are Jacobs or Golisano. BigPappy

Hazed, While I understand the point you are trying to make, your examples are poor when comparing them to Trump. Furthermore, I think you were missing point of his comment. Firstly, I would say that comparing Donald Trump to Paris Hilton, Kanye West and Justin Bieber is just plain silly. Paris Hilton has done nothing but live off the wealth of her family. Some may say, well gee she created her own clothing line and stared on a reality show and yada yada yada. To those who would I say bull S*it! She got the reality star for acting like a rich jack hole living an out of control life style, and the young public eats that stuff up. Networks want to make money, and people can't help but watch when they know the car wreck will come and its only a matter of when. As for her clothing line, she does not make cloths! I will repeat that, She DOES NOT make clothing. She is paid by a clothing manufacturer to put her name on a label. I will group Kanye West and Justin Bieber together since they are both musical artist and I use that term loosely cause imo they suck. Again, how do you compare two people who stand up on a stage and sing for a living to someone who has continued to build wealth through real estate and other business ventures. You can't. You are correct when you say any idiot can be a millionaire or even a billionaire. That said, you would have served your point better by siting people like John D Rockefeller and Henry Ford. Both were poorly educated with no backgrounds of business or economics, but built enormous wealth in business and didn't do it standing on a stage singing and grabbing their crotch. Arguably, you missed the point of his post. He can correct me if I am wrong and if I am wrong I apologize, but I think he was trying to say was that you can't build as much wealth as Trump has and be an idiot, especially in the manor in which he has done it. As a side note, using the term "Poorly educated" does not make you an idiot, and i was not trying to make any connections between the two. I used John D Rockefeller or Henry Ford as examples due to the simple fact that they built a business through hard work and dedication to what they were trying to achieve, not because they were good at something. Flame away everyone. BigPappy

Sorry, most successful business men....or women would say no, it is not failure. It is merely a set back. BigPappy

Sorry, but I would bet the Farm and all it's cattle that this DOES NOT happen. For better or worse this team is all in this year on EJ. If they take a QB it's in round 3 - 7. BigPappy

The only way we trade up is if Clowney or Mack fall to around the 5th slot. Even then I just don't see D.W. trading up. If Mack is there at 9 we will grab him. Clowney will definitely be gone before the 9th pick. If both are gone, we trade down to 17 with the ravens and pick up an extra 2nd and 3rd\4th rounder and we pick Ebron or the best OT available. Everyone is high on picking a WR, but I think Marrone and D.W are happy with their receivers and will at least for the 1st round not be looking in that direction. BigPappy

I agree with some of what you say her Lt Dan. I am not convinced that Ebron is worthy of a #9 over all either. In my earlier posts I actually said that I thought we would trade down and pick up Ebron in the pick 15 or 16 area. I also agree with you on Cordy. He is definitely a stud player and he will get better yet and we could pick up a quality OT in the 2nd or even the 3rd rounds. I am also with you on the QB situation with the "ask me again after the season" quote. He has talent for sure. Arm strength, fast with his feet and he's smart. I just want to see it come together this year for him to be convinced he's the guy. But here is where we start to differ in opinion. Bradham is an unknown still. He has talent for sure, but i don't think he's in the top level LB. As for Spikes, there is nothing to prove that he is anything more than a 3rd down rusher and instead of the 3 down lb that we need. As for the DT, Dareus is looking at possibly being suspended for 4 games with his arrest, and Allen Branch is almost 30 and a mid level guy at best. Only 8 sacks in his career. Everyone is entitled to opinion and everyone has one. FWIW, this is mine. I am not a Football expert by any means, like many of you I just love football. BigPappy

Not that many holes? TE, OT, LB, DT, and many would argue QB. Not me as of yet, but many would. That is 4 possibly 5 depending on your view point. Then add WR as many claim is also a hole. That makes 5 possibly 6 roster spots that we are missing key players. I call that a lot of holes. Ramius, you are correct. Just because I myself or any other person on this board say there are a lot of holes to fill, it doesn't mean the Bills organization believes that this is the case. But it also doesn't mean their right. BigPappy Well said All Pro!

I have to agree with you All Pro. We just have too many holes to fill to be competitive and betting valuable draft picks to grab Watkins isn't something I see D.W. doing. We have a boat load of really good, fast receivers for EJ. Unless Mack is available at 9 by some miracle I see us trading down 6 or 7 slots and picking up and extra 2nd and 3rd round pick and then grab Ebron is Round 1 and an OT and LB in Round 2. I know Ebron is a top tier TE but I think he will still be available at pick 15 or 16. FWIW IMHO BigPappy

Now that there was funny! BigPappy

This Times a 1000. I will not say that there is no way that Whaley does something that stupid and gives up our second round pick when we have some many needs, but I will say its highly unlikely. We already have the mother load in receivers. Yes some are un proven yet, but their coming into their sophomore year of pro ball and should take that next step in their game and so should EJ. IMHO i think the smart play is Ebron or an OT at 9 unless by some miracle Clowney is still there. Not that I think he will be, but if he is you have to grab him. BigPappy

The estimated value of a product has nothing and I mean nothing to do with how much that product sells for. Value is placed by the buyer, and how badly he wants to buy the product. Especially in a unique market like the NFL. The Browns sold for 1 Billion dollars! The BROWNS! Granted we feed off the same bottom they do currently, but I thing we are in better shape financially, and well as our front office. My point is, This team will not sell for anything near its "Estimated Value". Several have stated the number 1.25 Billion, and in my humble opinion, it's probably in the ball park of close. As far as the OP's initial comments, while I believe that your friend told you this information and he believes it to be true, it's more likely that the Bon Jovi financial team is putting out dis information just to get an idea as to where other potential bidders are in their bids, and your friend has been fed the information for this purpose. if they can get any of them to bite and go public with what they are going to start their bidding at all the better for them. BigPappy

This actually increases your chances of winning JR since you wont be competing with all of the continental United States especially if they really would be giving the tix to the one that comes closest if no one gets them all correct. BigPappy

I agree with you. The issue i have with Bon Jovi is his close relationship with the Rogers family. I could see him and his group of owners moving up to Toronto and I for one definitely don't want to see that happen. I would rather see the Bills go anywhere other then Toronto if it came down to the Team leaving. BigPappy

I think your right. It's a smokescreen. I just don't see Whaley spending picks to move 8 spaces. If anything with as deep is this draft is, he will want to move back and pick up an extra pick in round 2 or 3. Both Whaley and Nix before him have said they wont give away picks to move up. I just don't see this happening. period. JMO though. BigPappy

Having Duff's Wings at a Bills Football game.....Priceless! BigPappy

London Fletcher. That guy was a complete douche! I was at a Bills training camp dinner some years back and they set a few hours aside before the dinner started for people to mingle and talk with players and coaches. I think it was the first year Malarkey was coaching. Any way, my self and a few others walked up to London and asked him for his autograph. The guy could not stop looking at the highlight reel of himself that was playing long enough to sign anything. The guy completely ignored anyone that came up to him or that was talking to him when his highlight reel was playing on the big TV. What an egotistical A$$. BigPappy

It's hard to be wealthy in the NFL. (Fixed) BigPappy

Sorry, but there is no way I would want him on this team. It's one thing to be nasty on the field, but he is a cancerous cesspool of a human being and no good for this or any other team in the NFL. besides most of his teammates didn't like him when he was here the last time. Further more I would have to respectfully disagree with your assessment of Marrone. While he appears to be a strong coach technically when it comes to Football, I don't think his personality is strong enough to deal with Incognito and the trouble he seems to bring with him where ever he goes. BigPappy

matter2003, If you truly believe that this year is as you say an aberration because he has posted 5 straight 90+ QB Rating seasons prior to this year and led the league in pass yards one of those with almost 4800 yards, how can you believe that we would be able to get him for a 4th and 5th round picks? Please explain. By the way, I find it very doubtful that he gets his outright release either as 26CornerBlitz has commented. As matter2003 stated in, he has posted QB Ratings of 90+ 5 straight times. He's a very good QB who lost a supporting cast of players including their defense. BigPappy

Not to be a d@ck but, Isn't this a Buffalo Bills Forum and not a Jets Forum. Who cares about Geno Smith and his current status as a Jet or his confidence level. Lets focus on what OUR team needs to do to get better. F!@k Geno Smith and the Jets! We haven't made it to the Playoffs in 14 freak'en years, and it really pisses me off. JMO BigPappy

I'm with you on this one Rubes. BigPappy

Ummm.. Yeah.....This, definitely this. Have you seen how hot she is? My locker room response would be.... and who do you go home to at night? Cause I get to plow that EVERY night! BigPappy

The Falcon's Game is the one that scares me if I am to be honest. Matt Ryan is unpredictable. Their Defense has not been that great, but if their offense comes to play I will be pissed! The Pat's game worries me but does not scare me like the Falcons game. Everyone knows how T.B plays. He's a great quarterback. Their defense is old, slow and kind of sucky. But they will have the division locked up by then, and unless last nights loss starts some kind of N.E implosion(one could only hope), most if not all the starters will be resting for the Bills game. Definitely a winnable game. BigPappy