Kirby Jackson

I think that’s too high of a price for him. He’s a decent player and could have helped us. He’s probably the 5th pass catching option in Philly. They are loaded with weapons.

Everyone believes that he is slow. Everyone also believes that he had trouble separating. Those things aren’t the same. 40 times have little to do with separation. Cole Beasley was great at separating. Cole Beasley was a 4.5 guy not a 4.3 guy. Hunter Renfrow is a 4.6 guy. Separation is not code for speed. The Matt Harmon chart shows massive concern with his ability to get open on most routes. That’s not just the deep ball. Coleman was drafted because he has athletic upside. He’s a physical guy with a basketball background. His gauntlet drill at the combine was exceptional. Straight line speed matters but it is nowhere near as important as route running. To this point, Coleman is bad at that. He certainly can improve. He has a high ceiling but a pretty low floor. We have heard throughout camp of the good and the bad. The bad though is EXACTLY what he struggled with in college. It is not new and it is not surprising. So far, the pros and cons have been the same pros and cons that he put on tape. I’m on record for not liking the Coleman pick. I thought that he was somewhere between the 10th-16th best WR in the draft. The Bills backed themselves into a corner. They needed a guy that could get off the bus and contribute. They needed a guy at the top of their depth chart. They instead took the 8th or 9th WR after trading down twice. That doesn’t scream, “we have to have this guy.” By some accounts he might play behind Mack Hollins to start the year. That is a problem. I promise you, when the Bills selected Coleman they did not plan on him battling Mack Hollins for early playing time.

5th behind the Colts

I don’t want to speak for @BADOLBILZ but that isn’t it. I posted the chart here earlier. The reason people don’t believe that he can separate in the NFL is because he didn’t separate in the ACC. That discussion was long before the slow 40 at the combine.

I don’t think anyone’s concerns with Coleman come from his slow 40. That was icing on the cake. The concern comes from this:

I don’t know the details. One of the people in our group had heard that. She confirmed it at the last preseason game. That was always a nice spot and they were good to us.

La Galleria and next door at the old Twin Oak We previously parked at a house across the street. That’s for sale now and we wouldn’t go back there if it wasn’t.

I didn’t think that they were particularly strong at the back of the depth chart with those guys. I think that those 3 would be somewhere between 4 & 6 on most depth charts with resumes saying that you shouldn’t expect much more. I’d just assume a guy like Shavers play than may be good or bad. I don’t really care if the Bills have Hollins/Claypool/MVS. I’d rather take a chance on someone trying to replicate their pedestrian production.

I don’t know. We plan to make some calls and do a little research this week. If I find anything out I’ll shoot you a message.

Lol, it was never looking strong. Samuel is probably the best “WR” on the team. He is more of a weapon but the Bills are counting on him for probably 6-8 touches a week. We had a bunch of scrubs at the back of the depth chart that will be substituted for by a bunch of other scrubs. This WR room is abysmal. We have a couple of 2’s or 3’s in Samuel and Shakir. We have a raw rookie with some upside but separation concerns and some scrubs.

Yeah, it is even worse than I imagined. The lot that we park in and the lot next to it were just sold apparently. The one that we used to park in is for sale as well. The parking this year and next will look so much different than it has. It was a big topic of discussion at dinner last night with our group. We are trying to decide if we want to move a little further away and deal with the longer walks or move closer and deal with the traffic nightmare. I’m leaning towards Bert’s Bikes and the easier out but might get outvoted.

Someone made an interesting point (can’t remember which thread it was in). They said how Beane has taken some high ceiling low floor guys in the 1st (counting Coleman here) and then productive/safe guys in the 2nd (paraphrasing). It’s interesting when you think about it. They’ve taken guys like Josh, Elam, Rousseau, Coleman and then guys like Epenesa, Boogie, Cook, Torrence, Ford, Bishop & Zay.

Sorry, should have clarified. The list was assembled by NFL executives not ESPN personalities. It was 50 top executives or something like that.

The last list that I saw (the ESPN one) didn’t have him in the top 10. Oliver didn’t make the top 10 either. The same goes for Bernard. Rasul and Rousseau weren’t even considered as top 10 at their position. If Von becomes Von again that changes things. He was an elite player at one of the most important positions in football.

Agree That’s been my point. The Bills are still really good because they have an elite QB. They have worse players around him than they did and less depth. They weren’t good enough with better talent and depth.

Yep, because they don’t have Josh Allen. You’re making my point for me. He has elevated average to good rosters/coaching to contenders. This team is not very good without him.

No, but they were still good players. They weren’t as good as they were in 2021 but better than what we have today. Who are the top 10 Bills not named Josh Allen? Where do they rank at their position in the NFL? Taron is a top 2 slot corner. Dawkins is a top 10ish OT. Milano is elite but has injury issues. Oliver is a top 10ish DT. Kincaid is a top 6-8 TE. When you look at this roster compared to their peers it is lacking.

Well, the 49ers actually went. They didn’t need us to use our imaginations.

Yep, and we beat up on them because we had a balanced and DEEP roster. That’s what I said the entire time. The Bills didn’t have elite talent at the top but were good from 1-53. Now they have worse top end talent and have way less depth.

The 49ers have been to 2 of the last 5 Super Bowls. That’s not the flex that you think it is. Their roster has WAY more talent than this roster.

Fair, Oliver was very good. I don’t put too much stock into CBs vs. the QBs. The backs have been good (especially Ray Davis).

I listed 3 first team all-pros and the 2nd most efficient kicker in history. They are elite. Bernard is in the good player tier. He’s not in the tier with the guys listed. The best player on the Bills, not named Josh Allen, is Taron Johnson. He’s right there with McDuffie as the best slot corner in football.

We had 1 player in the NFL top 100 on one ranking. We had 2 on the player rankings (Dawkins was 95 or something). With 32 teams, each team should, in theory, have 3 (plus) players. A team that perennially is near the top of the league should have more than just their QB as top 100 players. The Chiefs, Dolphins and 49ers have like 6 or 7 guys each. We have Josh.

Ray Davis looks really good as well.