Kirby Jackson

It’s WR and maybe WR x2. The defense is getting healthier and you have to play Hairston if he is healthy. You could add a depth corner but not someone that you’ll play ahead of him.

I don’t disagree there. I’m more saying, “if your specialty is incredibly low percentage then I don’t have much use for you.”

That’s like saying “his bread and butter is fadeaway 3’s. He is much better at turn around fadeaway 3’s with a hand in his face than the average player.” The play is a very low percentage play to begin with so I don’t care if he gets 25% while most others get 18%. It’s stupid to be running plays that are a coin flip at best.

Add in the draft resources over the last few years and it’s a much higher percentage in terms of your most valuable assets.

I’ll bet that the Bills use this $ (or a significant portion of it) as well as the sale of junk from the current stadium to fund their foundation. That just makes sense.

Lol, I’ve been monitoring. He was definitely the 2nd most worn at the start of the season. With the release of the new ones we have seen a spike in Cook jerseys. Keon is probably 2nd and maybe 3rd.

I just don’t think that they can admit that failure. This offseason they were feeding the narrative of how improved he was. They were telling us that he was in line for a big year. The Bills are driving, and have been driving, the Keon narrative since he was drafted. If you go through this board for the last year and a half, you will see Keon truthers EVERYWHERE defending him and pumping him up. He is almost certainly the 2nd most worn jersey on Sunday’s in th stadium. It doesn’t feel like they will walk away.

Really well said!! That’s perfectly articulated. The irony is that if they stacked points and limited a team’s ability to run, the defense would be better (not good but better). Instead they try to limit the number of possesssions in a game and the defense’s time on the field. Every game is close for that reason.

Even that I struggle with. They are just taking up space. Lol, no one is going to sit there if there’s a couch or recliner next to them. Maybe if you converted them into some sort of coffee table or something I could see it. It make no sense. Lol, this is coming from someone that is looking a full sized Buffalo Bills video game sitting in my entertaining room (the ones that McKenzie bought for the guys). I spent a lot of money on that nonsense and barely ever use it but I had to have it. 🤣🤣

No doubt. The Keon pick was infuriating for reasons beyond just not liking the player. The entire process was a failure. The way that the Bills chose to “address” the WR room after trading Diggs backed them into a corner. They had an incredible WR draft to work with. They needed to come away with at least 2 guys and AT LEAST one of those 2 ready to play 65+% of the snaps and be between 800-1000 yards. They needed a 100+ target guy day 1. Those guys were in the draft even if they didn’t work out. The Bills had to factor in “floor” because they didn’t have starting caliber NFL receivers. What did they do instead? They traded down twice. The first trade down allowed their biggest nemesis to get the fastest player in combine history. The Bills then settled on a prospect that had MAJOR red flags. That doesn’t mean Keon was destined to fail. It does mean though that he was WAY too big of a gamble for the situation that they were in. They couldn’t risk him being exactly what he is (and exactly what he was in college). So while, I didn’t like the player coming out, the fit was even worse. This is the guy that they bet on:

Oh I’m not denying there’s a market for them. I’d probably talk myself into getting mine. Lol, it’s more “why?” I can see a sports bar wanting to display them. I was at Tully’s the other day and I’m 90% sure they have old stadium seats in there somewhere. Maybe Bennigan’s will pull down some upside down unicycles and replace them with conjoined plastic chairs? It’s the personal ownership that I’m struggling with. I’ll probably get excited and waste money on mine. I’ll bring it home and put it in the garage until I “find a better place for it.” It’ll sit there for about 3 months before I start getting questions about “what do you plan to do with that?” After another 3 months I’ll start getting asked, “why don’t you put that in your office or to the curb?” Obviously, I’m not going to put it in my office because my office is nice and throwing a couple of random plastic chairs in the corner does nothing to elevate the aesthetic. Another 3 months will go by and the pressure mounts to get them out of the garage. After 3 more months, the walls have caved in and something will have to give. I’ll give them both to my developmentally disabled cousin who will think that they’re amazing. After 2 months my aunt will be all over him to get rid of them because they don’t go in his apartment. 3 days will pass and he will sell them on Facebook marketplace for $32 a piece. I’ll have to drive over to his house, load them in the car, and drive to a Wegman’s parking lot to meet the buyer so that my cousin can collect $64. He will put that $64 towards Madden ‘28.

Do people really want their seats? I have so many memories in that stadium. In many ways, it’s my happy place. At the same time, I can’t wait for the new stadium and have no desire to have some crappy plastic chairs at my house. What are you supposed to do with it? Are we supposed to just look at them and be like, “remember the snow game?”

I’ll add a layer too. You overvalue the guys that you selected. “Draft and re-sign our own” is great in theory. When you start overpaying for guys like Rousseau and Bernard it puts you in a tough spot.

Why are you moving the goal posts? I’m challenging the claim that if the Bills had a “better WR that he would get little snap counts.” Let’s stick to the topic… Also, FWIW, the Bills scored 7.4 more PPG and threw for 60.8 more YPG in the games that Cooper was in uniform. You can attribute whatever percentage of that to Cooper that you see fit but there is no way to argue that they were better without him than with him. The numbers are the numbers. Now back to the one point of this conversation…

Meyers was just an example but yes, he is better than what they have. The point being, they mix and match guys because none of them are any good. That’s the concept of “everybody eats.” Throw different skill sets at the wall and hope one sticks. If you had a guy that had better skills, they’d rotate less. When Diggs was here, he played a lot more snaps than his backup. This rotation is a function of everyone being the same. If they had better players, they’d play more snaps than the worse players.

That’s the million dollar question. Someone has looked at the talent added with Schoen here vs. without (it might have been @GunnerBill). They really haven’t had the same level of success and he was really the scout. I think that there is also something to roster building philosophy. Beane and co. follow in the footsteps of Gettleman and Hurney from Carolina. They never prioritized WRs and threw tons of valuable assets at DL (and RB too). That’s what they believe. It’s just tough to have that belief with Josh Allen at QB. If you’re buying a Ferrari give it premium fuel.

It’s more, if you have Josh Allen at QB, why would you throw less frequently in neutral situations than if you had Dillon Gabriel or Justin Fields?

I don’t disagree but the flip side is the point made by @NoSaint. The Bills are certainly better at running it. Running it successfully though, takes time off the clock, keeps the game close and allows other teams to continue running vs. the Bills. Are we better off, attacking through the air even if we aren’t as good at it? Basically, are we better off trying to methodically control the ball and be efficient vs. fire it all over the place with both good and bad results? If you can open up a 2 score lead, teams will be one dimensional against you and it won’t impact your undersized defense. You can just rush the passer and hope to get stops. My issue with the style that they play now is everyone is always in the game. Bad teams can hang around even if you’re effectively running and sustaining drives. Less possessions benefits bad teams. My belief is that this team should play with their foot on the gas. Make teams try to keep up with Josh Allen. That’s how they should be built with speed and playmakers to support him. They try not to lose more than they try to win. Attack, attack, attack and let other teams adapt to you.

Not sure if this has been posted or not but:

If you have a high end pass rusher like that, he will take away snaps from the other guys. What happens to Solomon’s snaps if they added Crosby?!? Epenesa? Landon Jackson?!? Pass!! Everybody eats!!

This is a huge week. Dalton playing helps the Bills. He has a low ceiling at this point. I think that the Bills show up and look sharp this week. Lol, I predicted that for 3 straight games. 🤣🤣 Josh might look like the MVP moving forward. It is more of a feeling than anything else but this is the most criticism this team and organization has taken in 5 years. It’s been deserved. Also, the Pats have a sneaky tough game this week. Playing Cleveland is no picnic. They get after you and can run the ball. This week could go a long way to restoring order in the AFCE.

Samuel, Palmer and Moore all had track records as role players. We overpaid for role players. The AAV of Samuel and Palmer is $18Mish. I’m suggesting that $18M would be WAY better served on one good WR and then the 2nd spot should be filled by a mid round draft pick (like Gabe Davis was). I think that the problem isn’t how they’re being used as much is it’s “they aren’t very good.” The same goes for Keon. Every guy is playing at a position on the depth chart above their ability (except Shakir). What’s happening is we have 3’s and 4’s playing as 1’s and 2’s. You have guys like Christian Gonzalez lining up across from Palmer and Coleman. 🤣🤣 That’s a total mismatch. If the Bills addressed the TOP of their depth chart (need a 1 AND 2 IMO) that would move everyone to their more natural fit. There’s pretty much never a time that the guys on the outside are lining up across from a player that they’re better than.