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Not to mention there are consistently subsidies being handed out to all kinds of for profit businesses. http://buffalonews.com/2013/12/19/yahoo-to-save-200-million-in-sales-tax-on-lockport-center/ For 205-390 jobs. But a football team is where we cross the line! They don't employ anyone at all.

Ok lets lay it out one more time because people are still arguing and this is more fun than doing laundry. Scenario 1: If we were to pick Sammy Watkins at #9, he would have cost us one 1st round pick. Scenario 2: If we were to swap picks with Cleveland (their 4th for our 9th) then picking Sammy Watkins, still would have cost us JUST ONE 1st round pick even though we traded our pick. Scenario 3 (reality): We swapped picks with Cleveland (thus still costing us 1 pick to pick Sammy Watkins as in scenario 2), and we gave Cleveland a 2015 1st, and 4th for their troubles. The idea that swapping 2014 1st rounders with Cleveland was "trading away a 1st round pick" is silly and misleading because we got a BETTER pick in return for swapping and that is the point of being a stickler about phrasing in this entire argument.

I wonder how many people on Kansas City's board are arguing that they traded 2 first round picks for Mahomes .

Yeah that has been my point as well. At that point if we traded away 2 1st rounders and selected Sammy Watkins then we used 3 first picks on Sammy Watkins. But that isn't how that works. We don't say that we got 2 1st rounders from Kansas City for the Mahomes deal, so why would we say we traded away 2 1st rounders in the Watkins deal? It is semantics but it matters.

I haven't seen the whole argument but as far as I saw so was K-9. K-9, on 28 May 2017 - 4:07 PM, said: Yes, we gave up two firsts and a fourth but that's not the same as saying we traded away two firsts. We used one. It may sound like semantics, but it isn't. We traded a first for a higher value first but people with agendas never seem to mention that.

Its actually the perfect way to explain the different perceptions and why people argue about it. Yes, it is simply 2 firsts and a fourth = Sammy Watkins. Plain as day. However phrase it a certain way and "the bills traded away 2 1st round picks to get a 1st round pick to use for Sammy Watkins" Sounds like a lot of picks specifically 3 1st rounders. Or phrase it another way and "the bills swapped 1st round picks, and traded 1 1st round pick to draft Sammy Watkins" Sounds like a lot less, and maybe 1 1st rounder and then 1 to draft him. Different people will apply their mindset of the trade to make it look good or bad and that doesn't sit right with the people looking at it from the other way. Exactly!

It isn't intellectually dishonest but it leaves it open to say we used 3 1st round picks on Sammy Watkins which simply isn't true. And believe me, since you say "traded away 2 1st round picks", people actually do say we used 3 1st rounders.

It is clearly two different mindsets. But realistically we got a better pick than our 2014 9th overall pick. We got 4th. So to get to 4th we traded away 2014 and 2015's 1st and a 4th rounder. Then we used the HIGHER pick that we got to draft Sammy Watkins. You guys both clearly agree that we used 2 1sts and a 4th to draft Sammy Watkins so......

Seeing some of Philip Rivers freakouts during games, I read this in a very angsty Philip Rivers voice. The guy seems very stressed out. Philip Rivers: "Obviously, it's nothing he can't catch up on. But this to me is valuable time, especially at his position. With all of the things we ask for from our receivers formation-wise and all of the things we do like no-huddle, it would be good for him to be out there doing this."

Oh yeah, I can just picture all of those TDs with EJ Manuel and Kyle Orton at the helm. My guess is we would love him and think he is great, but I don't think he would be the spectacle that he has turned into at this point. On the flip side, there may be more drama with him than Sammy has dished out about getting him the ball, and us getting a legit QB.

Dareus plays hard when he is actually on the field, so if he cares that he doesn't get suspended, and is on the field, then both parties will be happy. As long as he doesn't get suspended again, we aren't "stuck" with him. He is a high caliber player.

What are they waiting for? The Pegula's need to get a legit medical staff in here to get stuff done. Not this rinky dink medical staff that waits weeks to amputate. This puts Zay at risk for hopping into the season for game 1.

I'd like to point out that Seattles line isn't spectacular, and I believe ours is much better.

While I understand ties may be the better way to do tie breakers for playoff seeding, I don't think the average person will see this. I think the average football fan will despise so many ties as boring and pointless.

Is it though? Doesn't that mean McDermott was unwilling to value the position as a need? Just playing devils advocate here for when people start making up reasons to hate the current management. LMAO. How can anyone say the Buffalo News doesn't have it out for Whaley? He must've pissed them off royally either at the infamous press conference or in some other manner.

I just want to know if Peterman doesn't work out, is that a strike against the GM/McDermott? Or is it ok that he tried?

There was no upside to cutting EJ. The Bills organization doesn't operate to spite players that didn't work out. They didn't pick up the option and they went with other QBs for the time being.

I think we are done here. You make things up as you go along to insult or belittle the team. I showed you pictures of 3 defenders ready to annihilate Watkins, and you take it as proof Watkins should've taken that punishment to get an unattainable 1st down, just to make you happy. Give me a break.

Pegula said McDermott submitted a list too but that was the extent of his part. From OP: "When we started this process, we -- Kim, myself, Russ was involved, and others -- we put together four or five lists of potential candidates, cross-referenced them, and, you know, Sean was one of the individuals [involved in our search]," Pegula said. "Brandon's name showed up on most of the lists, if not all of them. So from that, and from discussions with people outside the organization, we picked the candidates we wanted to interview. But Sean's involvement was no more than writing a name on a piece of paper, which he wrote seven or eight names."

While they are in there, they better check on his spleen.

I agree, not that I think you disagree, but just in this scenario he has one guy lining him up practically ready to launch at him, another guy about to wrap him up, and a 3rd guy to do a punishing 3rd hit if he is still up - all that for minimal gain is silly.

​So you give a coach and gm one year to get their stuff together and turn a team around or fire them? That is more backwards than any choice Pegula has made.

You are simply wrong man. He had 3 defenders in front of him. Thank you for the link, I was looking for it but did not expect to find a full game video. Does the NFL put all previous games on YouTube for free now or something? Or is that not even really the NFL posting those?

Pretty sure that isn't at all what happened. Was 154 yards 1 td not good enough for you? Played like a 4th rounder? Jesus this board sometimes. Granted he was injured, but he plays like an elite receiver whenever he is on the field.

But....I can do both.....