Rocky Landing

This is pure semantics. Don't call it a ceiling. It's just a reference point. The actual debate in this context is: Which QB is going to be better several years down the road, and I think that is a rational question. It's not like we're comparing Mahomes to Darnold, or something. There's good reason to be optimistic on Allen's future. The point I'm making as it pertains to this thread is that I think given both QBs potential, we are better off continuing to build off the culture, and team that includes Josh Allen, and that trading him for Mahomes would undermine that culture. In other words, in the short term, trading for Mahomes would damage the Bills as a team. And, in the long term, or several years down the road, Josh Allen may very well be the better QB. Ceiling is just another way of referring to potential.

Well, you asked the question: Has Patrick Mahomes reached his ceiling? And, if you think he hasn't, who do you think is closer to their ceiling, Mahomes, or Allen?

I suspect that Mahomes is closer to his ceiling than Allen is to his. Statistically, Mahomes has been remarkably consistent over his four year career. Allen's trajectory has obviously been quite a bit steeper, and it would be surprising if he was done improving.

I would counter that with: Some people don't place a high enough value on culture.

If Mahomes were a country mile better than Allen, and Allen had reached his ceiling, then sure. But, he isn't, and he hasn't. And, swapping the two, at this point in The Process would be utterly contrary, and damaging to the culture McD, and Beane have created. They're all in on Allen, Allen is all in on the team, and the team is all in on him.

My take: Since Fitz left, he's stopped shaving, and is drinking heavily.

You mean the victory formation? I’ll say yes, but that doesn’t really apply to the conversation. My point stands.

Running the clock down in the fourth quarter isn't exactly the definition of "smash mouth football."

Were you at Denonville Junior High between Fall of '75, and Spring of '78? If so, I probably knocked you on your hindsight.

I'm guessing Cam is gone. If they're building an offensive scheme around Jones/Hoyer, Cam would be a square peg in a round hole.

Not lying: in middle school I was a Kill-the-Guy-with-the-Ball legend. I was unstoppable. Admittedly, I grew up in Penfield (suburb of Rochester), which probably qualifies as a "sissy neighborhood."

Some of us live on the West Coast, so subtract three hours. And it's really nobody's business what I'm doing posting about football at 2am...

The more I learn about Dan Snyder, the more I suspect there is intention to this. I'm surprised he didn't name them Washington Team Football.

If the Pats* are hanging their hat on Mac Jones, signing Hoyer makes perfect sense, even if they end up starting Hoyer for the beginning of the season. Hoyer knows the system, and has a helluva lot more in common in terms of the type of QB he is than Cam Newton. Even if you ascribe to the notion of Belichick* as "The Greatest Coach of All Time," it would be strange to build an offensive scheme around Cam, or Mac, and then have one take over for the other. It'd be hard to find two quarterbacks who were more polar opposite.

It was especially frustrating because the Titans were dealing with a whole raft of Covid issues, and had missed a lot of practice. We should have beat the snot out of them. But, the Bills looked low-energy. At least, that's how I remember it. I think also they were a tough matchup for us last season. Hopefully that isn't the case this season.

Ah, of course! I was thinking he had been a Giant because of Coughlin trashing him, but I forgot Coughlin had moved on to Jacksonville. Someone's living up there, and they won't shut up!

Really interesting conversation you guys are having...

And why? Personally, I'm really looking forward to the Titans game. The Bills looked hungover during their last matchup, and I'd love to see some redemption. I'm actually thinking about making the trip to Nashville.

I had just read like five different articles about the dawning of a new age in Jacksonville, and I forgot that the rest of the world doesn't live in my brain.

There's this one:

None that I know of.

There's a bunch of guys I'm really looking forward to seeing play that we'll not likely see again for the rest of the season...

Honestly, I think the Drew Brees is gone, and gone for good.

True that. You don't have to be a fan of a team in the AFCE to hate the Pats*.

Interesting. I would say, just mathematically alone, 17-0 is the best case scenario. Unlikely, sure. But, I will also say that 14-3 would not be unlikely. Maybe I'm a crazy homer, but I really only see two teams in our schedule that we can't honestly say we are better than. And, neither of those two teams are unbeatable.