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"numbers" , I like that Edit- Now for example if I were to get fresh here I would say - "Ok you stick to watching him on bicycles and reading his emotions on the sideline and I will continue to evaluate his play on the field." , "numbers"

Well put Joef, that is how I see it as well. Also , I have noticed a vast overall improvement in the blocking efforts of our WR corps since that very date. It's actually hard to NOT notice it now in reality, like Aiken's block that led the way for EM's touchdown in Miami. Honestly, I haven't seen this much blocking effort from the WR's on a Bills team in a long time....

With all pre-discussed respect, this conjecture is exactly the reason that I attempt to provide some alternate insight from time to time on this board. I'm sure that there are many though that would still agree with your "babying" analogy. Though I will try to respond with less vinegar and more smelling salts going forward , if that analogy makes any sense.

I know it's probably a "nineties thing" , but boy am I still partial to - Jennifer

Exactly

This is what happened Bill. 1- I saw Dan Gross's post calling you out re: Travis and how it was no different from a personal attack on some mystery person on this board, and I was honestly quite happy that I wasn't the only one who noticed your year long portrayal of him as a worthless vegetable of a man, so I praised his comment, and I'd do it again. When you throw out comments like that about a guy you should probably be prepared to take some heat for it. 2- My MW reference was me trying to come up with the possible reason you responded so harshly and defensively to my reply, considering the disagreements we've had over this in the past. Because that is the only "me" that you "know". I am glad that you have noticed the change in him. 3- I don't care who the !@#$ has also attended practices and I too realize the guy took time to get to his potential (no he never sucked), but I was always careful to point out that it was POTENTIAL that would come with good coaching (which it has). And maybe there have been some other times that he has been blamed for a blown assignment that wasn't really his fault in the scheme. No matter what anyone says here or in any other football discussion, you have a ten fold advantage at truly evaluating a player when you a- attend practices and/or b- attend games. So combining that privilege that I have (and enjoy sharing) and my knowledge of the game from studying it to the point of obsession and playing it for a number of years, I'd like to think I ad an opinion that holds water quite well. Maybe you should ask some of the posters here that you do think highly of as football analysts and ask them what they think of my opinions. 4- You are the one that took the extra step and called me a pompous douchebag, which atleast to me , is a lot different from saying "you're wrong" or "no friggin way that guy blah blah blah is a good player" , etc.

It always makes you look real good to call someone a douchebag who has offered well wishes for your family in a time of need despite your differences re: football and refrained from calling you names, (until now). :I starred in Brokeback Mountain:

A little bitter still than MW isn't working out to what your expert opinion made him out to be? !@#$ off Bill , I'm tired of your stevestojan. Can't take the heat.? Get the !@#$ out of the kitchen!

ha ha GOOD point!!!

Time for more 3 WR sets. Hope JR and Aiken are up to the task.....

The sky is falling!!!!

I'll be at the Steelers game. I'm going with one other Bills fan and 2 Steeler fans. Should be interesting. Honestly Rich I have gone to Lot 1 Pole 5-6, whatever about 5 times since last season and never saw any TBDers there once. I even asked around. I think the problem is that I arrive a little later (usually @ 11:00) than most...

That would really, really suck!

I'm going. Just bought two tickets yesterday

You just want my 10$

He's been at this for a long time. Stick around, you'll see

Agreed, especially points #1 and #3

Ooh Ooh! Someone go back and make me eat some crow! C'mon guys I'm missing out on the fun....

Vincent will play very well for this team. You will see.

That's one of the most wrong opinions I've read all day. B)

Ooh Ooh! Should I start a look at me post to get some props for seeing what big Mike would be with some good tutulage, and seeing him up closer than atleast 90% of this board? Naw!

I don't really see us making the playoffs , but I am- 1) very pleased with the team's progress after an 0-4 start and possible 9-7(atleast) record and.... 2) Still hopeful as we are not mathematically eliminated.

The Phins used zero 9 man fronts yesterday, and had an eight man front MAYBE once or twice in the entire game. Know what you are talking about before you say it, it usually helps. And BTW, I think we DID make them pay with the passing game yesterday, if only exemplified by the 2 Evans td's.

Sorry guys, I took option 1 as a joke (I thought the thread was meaningless enough to do so....) Am I supposed to be scared now stevestojan?

All I can say is..... Damn we need a kicker!