london_bills

The first few plays of the pats game bothered me. The wide throw to gore in the flats for example. It showed me that he was tight, totally understandable but I want him to hit that throw. Put New England on the back foot straight away. Jests game he did that straight away and was great. unlucky I thought to not start the season perfect and with a TD. Sometimes he seems like the stage doesn't phase him, sometimes he seems like the stage phases him. Which is it

Hm. Allen definitely looks the better quarterback to me off paper

In this thread?

Would be interested to see a comparison of stats between Allen and Manuel.

You know what. The deep interceptions and throwing back against the body don't bother me so much. The throwing against the body has worked a few times for big gains. What bothers me is not seeing open receivers (brown and Jones on the 3rd down he missed to beasley). They may have been touchdowns and that's the difference that we expect to see in the future right? Basic intelligence would suggest that New England would think we would go to Beasley on 3rd down.

Yes I remember the EJ Manuel belief. Hyped by Whaley also. I don't want Allen to be good either. I want him to be great. The words 'Grow' and 'Develop' sound like great words, like it WILL happen. It may not. Surely the only real test is against good teams. Perhaps one could settle lower for a player who beats the teams he should beat, probably won't win a championship like that though.

There can be an element of the grass is greener yes. I would like to the see the potential of a strong 3 TD game at some point to take me away from the doubt of a 3 INT game. We haven't seen that yet. I have seen good things but also remember the start of the jests game was scripted. The start of the half against the patriots was scripted. Does he have the it factor? I'm not convinced, but I admit yesterday's game started to plant the seed of doubt.

Deshaun Watson, Russel Wilson were both good straight away. Daniel Jones already looks great after two games. Cam Newton was good straight away. Lamar Jackson is good straight away. Exactly the same thing was said about EJ Manuel. Because we want it so badly

Bringing your team back from deficits is huge. He has led strong drives and started great against the jests I thought, looked like brady. I thought he was very poor to start against the patriots and at some other times. When he is very poor like that, the throw to a running back doesn't even get there. If it's a mental thing I wonder if it could be something that never really goes away. Absolutely. That's why it's a balance between 'developing' Allen and deciding if he is the one. Of course could do both and draft another quarterback but that would draw a LOAD of attention.

It gives them the 'perfect storm' scenario to rest him, play Barkley, and let him think about the interceptions after being told again about looking after the football. Need to check back to see if this is the kind of scenario you mention! Allen is confident but it does concern me that it could go either way with his confidence after being told 'dont do anything stupid'. A bit like it's done with his deep ball at the moment. With alot of Allen opinions about how good he's been I think there is an element of seeing what you want to see.

Its a delicate balance for sure. Can become a psychological issue

Talent is not enough. If you are drafted 7th overall then you are very talented. Its the application of that talent, attitude and thinking under pressure situations that concerns me.

Sure. You have made it clear where you stand, however do you not have reservations in the back of your mind?

I WANT TO BE WRONG ABOUT JOSH ALLEN

also, why was Allen running HEAD FIRST for a first down? He's not a running back? I get the emotional 'showing courage' thing but its like what he tends to do in the game, not make the best decision for the team or himself a lot of the time

I tend to agree with this. SURELY Beane and Mcdermott need to be entertaining having a 'what if Allens NOT the guy' conversation?? The word 'Develop" is used a lot - when has a quarterback developed into a different, MUCH better version through "growth and development?' I agree that it seems unlikely that he is a longer term solution at quarterback. Josh Allen seems to be an athletic 'performer' rather than a 'cerebral' quarterback. This is shown in his reluctance to play to the game situation. You cant just change a persons character through "development". He will always want the big play and will continue to fight it if he is reined in. He will continue to be erratic as thats has nature - the only thing that can save this, or delay the judgement that he is not the long terms solution, is if he keeps bringing the team back in games or winning with drives AFTER his "bad" play. If he's doing that they may just sail with his mistakes. The goal is to win a SUPERBOWL. I can't see that with Allen, this game told me that.

Looking at the game against houston and listening to what people are saying - i think someone said the fact that fitz always makes very quick decisions on who he throws to as often the weakness of the bills offense and reason for the frequently quick three and outs, why not intentionally change this quick release on specific downs? some succes fitz has had this season has been moving the corners with his eyes - look at the first screen grab on first down, spiller is wide open - if fitz intentionally uses a pump fake there to chandler he should be able to get spiller open see attched images - on both screen grabs the quarterback draw is open, if chan calls the draw more often the opposition may cover for it and open up more routes deep/ underneath? what do people think?

oliver, post at the forums at nfluk.com kieran

its a fair point

yes kgun im from london - there is a big following here although I havent gone to any of the series as i havent wanted to miss the bills games on gamepass id hoped for a bills away game here but know that wont happen because of the toronto series would like to make it to buffalo to see a game, a PLAYOFF game would be great!!

this is so unbelievably frustrating 21-0 up arggggraahh

YEEAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

great throw and catch. go bills.

there goes stevie johnsons contract!!!!!!!!!!!

its early but doesnt that pats run D look WEAK?!