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I wouldn’t be shocked if they keep him on IR for the year even if he says he wants to play.

So strange that Hollins got all the looks I thought MVS should have been getting. He’s had 2 targets all year when he’s never had less than 42 in a year he played in 16 games. Not a world beater but he’s been a reasonable roll player at every stop. I don’t know if McBrady don’t like the guy, or he has a bad attitude, or maybe Josh just prefers Hollins? My guess is some combination of 1 and 3 are causing a bit of 2. He’s had 2 targets all year here. Down the back stretch of the season I suspect he’ll get that weekly.

Bass isn't Butker. Butker is one of the best kickers in the league. No argument there. Should the Bills look to every position in which they don't have an Allen, Butker, Gardner, Justin Jefferson? Absolutely. Should they cut a guy who is not been very good mid season to replace him with somebody worse because they aren't Harrison Butker? No.

You can't just say "You have to". 1. This isn't a spend issue. It is a cap room issue and there is no room. 2. I don't think there is anybody who falls into the category of "obviously better". But if you just speak in generalities I guess anything is possible. Didn't Bills fans trash Leodis McKelvin's yard after he fumbled a kick return against the Pats. Really sad and embarrassing moment for Bills "fans".

The Bills could pick Mike Williams 36 years straight. It doesn’t really matter. It wasn’t getting done without a new contract.

In the 2024 NFL 2-3 years isn't a semi rebuild, it is a full on rebuild. And you don't have a full on rebuild if you have the QB situation figured out. Von Miller is likely gone next year. I will be shocked if he is still around. Milano is interesting because he is only $1M off the roster than on. They do have an out after 2025. So in theory that could be a player they do something with. But I don't think so. I think Milano will have to make a decision on whether to extend in Buffalo long term at a lower price or try and get paid on a series of more lucrative short term deals to account for the fact he has been a major injury liability. Knox also has an out after 2025. However I think an extension at a more reasonable cost could happen.

To the first bolded. Fair, but I am challenging your assertion that "95% of the time our receivers were blanketed" and on the first play of the game Curtis Samuel is wide open in the flat. For whatever reason Allen refused to throw the ball to an open Samuel a few times this game. To the second, that is part of the problem. Cook was always going to beat the MLB who is moving horizontally when Cook is taking off vertically. There was no reason to move off the first read.

LOL. 95%? 95%!!!!! Well he completed 9 passes so lets start there. Then the first 5 pass attempts there were players open. Sometimes even his very first read. And on some there were multiple players. So far we have 8 other completions plus these 5. At this rate, parcing through the A22, you might not even get to 50% of the time. First pass: Incomplete. Allen first looks to Samuel in the flat in what looks to be a screen? Nobody within 8 yards of him. Holds the ball. Looks center field and Kincaid is crossing across his face with a step on the LB in man coverage. Hucks the ball to a very covered Hollins down the left sideline. Still nobody near Samuel in the flat. 2nd pass: Incomplete. One Simms already addressed. Cook beats his man and is the first read. The ball should have been thrown. 3rd pass: Incomplete: The Hollins throw deep. This play also has Kincaid, Ty Johnson, and Coleman open. 4th pass: Complete to Cook who is very open. 5th pass: Sack: really strange. This looks like a screen to Samuel. He is there without a defender. Kincaid takes his man out of the play. Josh pump fakes to Samuel for a reason I cannot figure out? Maybe to take off? Maybe to look down field? Then he takes a sack. I can't stop shaking my head at this one. Like WTF? (Forgive me, file size restrictions aren't letting me post screen grabs directly and I am too lazy to resize every picture)

Some posts aren't just for the person I am responding too. Ha!

I get this to an extent but I often think it goes waaaaaay too far and sometimes to the detriment of the team. Not saying that this is Allen. But the far end of the spectrum on this is Aaron Rodgers. It takes a lot of arrogance to not throw to the correct read or the open guy because "trust". That isn't a get out of jail free card for the GB WR corp Rodgers played with either. But he just openly refused to throw to guys at the tail end of his career there. At some point you have to give guys a chance and let them accept the consequences and move forward.

I think the point Simms makes there is that Allen needed to throw the ball already. The play worked as designed. The silent part is that the freeze frame is that moving on to look at the other side of the field where everybody is covered forces the OL to block longer than needed. The freeze frame you show is Cook 15 yards from the LOS. We are well into this play before the OL hints at allowing pressure. Allen often gets away with holding the ball too long because of he can either out athlete players on the defense himself or he can throw a laser. It often puts a lot of pressure for WR's to catch a tough ball or the OL to block longer than needed. But sometimes he also makes magic happen. There is certainly some give and take.

I have rewatched the game and the whole thing really just gives off second half of GB vibes and it took Allen weeks to get his groove back. There were a couple of posters that were surprised that Allen wasn't evaluated for a concussion late in the Ravens game after the trick play and he smashed his head and his shoulder. Totally unqualified conjecture, but I wonder if he rattled his bell there and this is what you get when you spend the week after a concussion exercising, watching film, and studying the playbook?

Just in general I think when he gets rattled or doesn't trust what he is seeing it is his go to. Simms sort of eluded to it this week in his review. He just thinks he can make magic happen every play. I will add on that if he doesn't quite get what is happening in front of him he is physically talented enough to do it on his own fairly often even if there is easy money in front of him.

Putting the whole "Diggs drugged me and tried to bang me" thing to the side for the moment. Robbing a dude and wearing his stuff on game day is super trashy.

They’re actually 7 days apart.

I don’t disagree entirely. As Josh pushes 30 he’ll have to remedy this/be more consistent in more traditional parts of his game or he won’t be a viable QB into his mid 30’s. You can’t stiff arm DT’s and hurdle LB’s forever. And you if you can’t do that you still have to make the offense hum.

These two go hand in hand, and like everything else, this isn’t a pie. A lot of things can be true at the same time. Josh is a freak athlete with a tendency to lock on to one or two guys, do something insane and throw to who is in there or his favorite guy. And he’s going all that at level that is pacing him to a likely HoF career. He’s certainly capable of being surgical and equitable but that isn’t his sweet spot or his default.

Of course. Put Allen in a different jersey and the entire message board is clamoring my that the NFL is risky this guys future. His undergrad is from Harvard and his PhD is from BU.

This is an internet football fan forum. Nearly 100% of every post is pure speculation and opinion. That is literally the entire point.

Live footage of Rodgers

The only way I consider PSL’s is if I get right of first refusal to purchase anything that comes to the stadium. And even then I’m hesitant because we only get 8-10 football games per year and nothing else. But if they start getting concerts, winter classics, monster trucks, WWE, etc. stuff I could go to or sell, then I’d gladly plunk down the clash.

It really doesn’t matter where the safety is. Hollins was 5 yards passed the nearest defender. Every year we seem to have half a dozen or more discussions about ball placement and whether this play or that play should inside our outside. Not sure if my feels equals reals but it feels like we talk about that more often than other teams.

There is zero chance they call a QB sneak after Allen bonked his head.

i am going to be very interested in the all 22 this week to see how much of this was a coaching/gameplan issue, wr issue, or decision making issue.

Not to derail the thread but I think there’s some speculation that Josh went in before he was examined by the neuro.