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Whaley hasn't been perfect, but he has made must more talented and it is noticeable. He's been aggressive, he's taken risks, and, on balance, he's been successful. Yea, QB is the bulls eye. He hasn't hit it yet, neither has any other GM we've had in a long time. There's also no reason to believe he can't hit one eventually. Say what you will, he's hit other draft picks (yea, he's missed some too). Many of them (as well as many of his FAs) were clever picks looking back. Tyrod himself (even though he isn't looking to work out completely right now) won the job and is better than EJ and Cassel but came in as the presumptive 3rd (in a way, bringing Tyrod in was good even if he can't recover and we cut him).

Marrone was hired January 6, 2013. Whaley assumed control in mid May of 2013 (~4 months later). Who knows what really happened, but Whaley probably wasn't in a position to go aggressive contrarian at that time. Nor was he in that position when Rex was hired.

Alright I updated the graph. BTW, interestingly, the overall "buffalo bills seasons" Wikipedia page has it wrong for 2014 (says we were 9-7 which is not true): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Buffalo_Bills_seasons

Yeah I messed that up, even have an extra dot in there somewhere. Thanks and, yes, Whaley did have a 6 win season to start. The graph is mostly correct though just move everything up a bit and know '13 was 6. (typical Bills fan graph)

Whaley joined the team in February of 2010 (so the '10 season on the graph). His first offseason in control was the 2013 (so full GM credit starting in '13 on the graph). Very simple point to visualize: http://www.plotvar.com/line.php?title=Bills+wins+since+2005&yaxis=Year&xvalues=05%2C+06%2C+07%2C+08%2C%2C+09%2C+10%2C+11%2C+12%2C+13%2C+14%2C+15%2C+16&serie1=Bills+Wins&values_serie1=5%2C+7%2C+7%2C+7%2C+6%2C+4%2C+6%2C+6%2C+6%2C+9%2C+8%2C+9 IDK, I'm as pissed as anyone else we still are not in the playoffs and blew that 24-9 road game against the Raiders...but I never understand the Whaley hate. We have to acknowledge that being the Bills is part of it...and he's doing better than we've been doing without him. It is highly likely we will win 8 or 9 games this year...which will keep the trend positive overall (and give Whaley only 1 losing season (6 wins in his first year) out of 4...while we had only losing seasons since at least '05).

Cptn Kirk is overrated. I would still sign him though...even know whoever gives him 25 million a year will destroy their team. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk

It wouldn't be the end of the world to get Fitz as a back-up and be willing to play the hot hand. I know nobody wants to pull a QB or switch them out frequently, but a Fitz/Tyrod combo would have you covered for most situation (provided, again, that you are willing to stream them and/or use a 2 QB system).

Alright, dump Tyrod, make a huge run at Romo, go super hard at WRs (get 2 from the draft/FA). Then use everything else on secondary and OL depth. If you can't get Romo, **** it get Cutler. If you can't get either, you keep Tyrod.

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Yeah, I know it's a rough loss. Pretty disgusting way to lose as well. Either way, we have 1 more loss until all hope is crushed forever. Lets save our doom and team bashing until we lose another. Go Bills.

Both would be huge improvements.

I'll call a shocking Bills win here. 30 - 27

You accidently linked an ugly hippie rug you were looking at instead of the Corey Davis link.

I'm not saying he's good, I'm just saying he's the victim of a media and internet snowball. He's very average with some explosive upside yet people act like he's bottom-end QB...he's not...he's a middle tier QB. Same tier as Tyrod honestly (although Tyrod is ahead of him in that tier ATM IMO).

There are many teams that could be better with Cutler--Cleveland, Houston, NYJ, Cinci, SF, LA, Minnesota, Denver, and Washington (yea, I said it, Cousins is way overrated) would all be better with a healthy Cutler.

Cutler is slightly above average and vastly underrated by most football fans. I agree, we should acquire Cutler if we can. Tyrod, Cutler, and a (hopefully) developing Cardale Jones would be the best QB roster we've had in a long time. Plus, if Sammy ever stays healthy and you add another real threat at WR Cutler could be very good with us. I know people knock his leadership and lack of elite play, but if you take an honest look at Cutler and what he has had in Chicago you realize he's worthy of a starting spot in the NFL. He would be an excellent addition to the team as a 1.b backup...get him and have Tyrod run more with the security.

I would trade Clay for Gronk tomorrow--whatever that says as a response.

Given that you can and may do anything with numbers, we might as well use them against Tom Brady (in the very few circumstances where that is possible).

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/12/patriots-tom-brady-stats-without-rob-gronkowski-not-good-ryan-fitzpatrick-went-to-Harvard I didn't read the whole thread, sorry if this was posted already, but this is a hilarious article. Stats show that Brady is worse than Fitzpatrick without Gronk.

His results have been to have a talented team that I'm excited about, therefore, greater results than any GM since Polian. I have no doubt that with Whaley, eventually, a few playoff births will come. Deep runs or Superbowl IDK, hope so, but Whaley will at least take us to the playoffs eventually. I truly believe that. If we get rid of Whaley maybe we do maybe we don't, I have no idea who we would replace him with. All I know is if we replaced Whaley with a GM similar to those we have had before him in recent times--we would be making a huge mistake. We have a lot of good players and it's obvious we act with urgency in the talent acquisition department. It's not perfect, and the Rex hire set us back in that department (creating defensive needs out of thin air), but we've gotten better and will be in the playoffs eventually at this pace.

Road rage killings are insane. Probably the best example of our society breaking down (I don't believe it is breaking down just saying that would be Exhibit A for the case that it is). ​Get out of your car with your loaded weapon (that you just so happen to have on you b/c, you know, you're driving around), and kill somone you've never met before, over nothing, in a matter of seconds/minutes. Pretty sad and discouraging.

Whaley is the best GM we've had since Polian. He's not perfect, no GM is, so yes, a lot of hindsight bias can be used to tear him apart. Remember who we are guys, always remember. Whaley is, and has been, great for us. God bless Whaley, may he forever run our talent office.

Jordan Mills on playing in the NFL: "God please help me."

I also believe this, good point Dr. House. That said, we are never healthy and sometimes just b/c we can play good we decide not to anyway, but we can play damn good. We all know that. We never used to have these kind of discussions--at least not seriously.