NeverOutNick

I agree with all of the bolded. I believe the only roster locks are Coleman, Shakir and Samuel. I would love for the next 3 to be MVS, Claypool, and Hamler because they can all stretch the field but it’s likely at most only 2 of them make the team with Hollins, Shavers, Shorter, etc fighting for that 6th spot/Special teams gunner/blocking WR role. Still holding out a little hope for Cephus too since he’s got some nice hands as a possession WR. My guess is our final 3 comes down to this: WR 4/returner: Hamler (please 🙏) or Isabella WR5/Big WR with vertical upside: MVS or Claypool WR6/Special teams/Big blocking WR: Hollins/Shavers/Cephus/Shorter

Logically makes sense to me brother but MVS and Hollins aren’t locks to make the team. Honestly think outside of the top 3 no one is safe for the other spots. I’m really pulling for Hamler. He’s got the most potential if he stays healthy.

I wouldn’t say he’s “better” than Cephus or Hamler. Cephus has more dependable hands but is not a vertical threat. Hamler is a big time vertical threat but is never healthy. At least MVS has had moments as a proven vertical threat. I’d be fine with him for a 1 year cheap prove it deal to compete with all the other never fighting for spots 4-6 on the WR depth chart

I actually agree with most everything you said, especially that we should’ve just inked Dhop last year. If we did we may have been talking about our 2nd SB adventure this year. I also agree with you analysis on DK and DJ Moore but Aiyuk I’m not sure I agree. I wasn’t a huge believer in him early on but the more I watch him, the more I think he could be a true #1. I don’t want to pay him the insane contract he’ll get though. Moore and Dk aren’t #1 WRs but they are what we are missing most to our offense in great vertical threats. But again I wouldn’t pay them WR1 money. If we could get them for the year without renewing their contract I think we could win it all. Dhop or Adams would be luxuries I’d love to have and probably wouldn’t break the bank because of their age. They’re still super clutch in big moments though so sign me up even though I can’t see Beane pulling the trigger. This was a great draft class to get a deep threat or 2 even late but it’s looking like Beane is rolling the dice that one of Hamler, Claypool or the already been there done that Isabella will be that guy If we are going to take a chance on a low risk trade to help with our glaring vertical need I could see it being DKs best bud Lockett

All great points. I just hope defenses don’t play us accordingly to what we’re putting out on the field. Just feels like we’re shrinking the field a bit. Hope Hamler stays healthy and is on the field a lot to keep the D honest.

Did Troy Franklin play a down in the NFL yet? I don’t take back a word I said about him, dude is going to be a way better WR than shorter in the NFL, I’d bet you $100 on that right now. And Brendan Rice was rated as my 16th best WR and even in my write up I stated it’s more about what he can be (Jerrys son is hard to bet against) and he runs a lot of off script routes probably due to his QBs play. I definitely would’ve taken him over Shorter AND Rice fell to the 7th (which proves my point that shorter wouldn’t have been drafted in this class). So “no disrespect” but until Shorter touches the field and proves he’s worth anything more than camp fodder, I’ll stick to my opinion and track record of knowing what works at WR in the NFL. Hopefully I’m wrong on Shorter since he’s a Bill (for now) BTW proof would be finding players I’ve missed on 2-5 years ago that haven’t panned out. Yes we all miss here and there but more often than not, I’m very good at analyzing WR talent while sitting on my couch lol…I bet alot of us wish we could sit in and talk to these kids in person like real scouts. And that could be a reason some of these guys slip. If you want to plant your flag in Shorter I’ll come back here and apologize if I’m wrong. And maybe you can do the same for me when Franklin lights it up 🤔. I’ll say it again, outside of Beane pushing an agenda with not owning up on a missed pick (and who really cares Beane, he’s just a 5th rounder, not like you could’ve had Nakua lol jk it’s really not that big of deal to miss on late rounders). I hope he lets the 6 best WRs have an even shot to make the roster (Coleman, Samuel and Shakir are the only locks). If Beane is true to letting all chaos break loose and we get the open competition, I believe if healthy, Hamler will be #4 because he’s got the speed we’re lacking and has the talent to live up to his second round grade. I have no idea who the other 2 will be. Because the Bills prioritize special teams and his past work ethic is awful, I’d bet claypool is on the outside looking (even if he’s a great talent and I’m pulling for him). I want to like Isabella but at this point he seems like he’s a great practice player that doesn’t do much to move the needle on gameday. I’ve always liked Cephus as a possession WR with good hands coming out of Wisconsin but he’s slow and we’ve got a lot of that already. The last spot will be that special teams gunner/outside WR guy and that probably means Hollins/Shavers/Shorter. Just my opinion 😉

Proof? Most of my analysis is pretty on point. Last year I told all the doubters that Zay Flowers was the best WR in this class

I honestly don’t think Justin Shorter would’ve been drafted at all in this years class of WRs. I’ve said it multiple times, the guy looks like he’s built to be an NFL WR but body catches everything, can’t get separation and is clunky in his route running. Hopefully he turns into the phenom he was projected to be coming out of HS but outside of Beane trying to make a statement that he’s keeping his 5th round WR from last year, I don’t see him making the team

Lol It’s not that much of a burden when the expectations have been minimized by everyone involved.

Honestly looking back at the moves this offseason at WR I’m still confused on the direction. I totally understand letting Gabe walk and I get Diggs needed to be traded for some value and this was the last opportunity to get high compensation in return for him. The pre-draft acquisition of Curtis Samuel doesn’t fill either hole our 2 WRs filled. In fact it makes it a more crowded room at what our 2 best remaining “WRs” do in Shakir and Kincaid, eating up the middle of the field and working the slot. Samuel is a fine player but he’s never been the best WR on his own team and for all his speed he’s not a great deep threat because he doesn’t track the ball very well. He’s going to be used well under Brady but still a head scratching start to our reworked WR room when you did have a boundary vertical threat like Hollywood brown available and multiple receivers in the upcoming draft to fill that role. Next we go into the draft still not having any proven outside threats. We grab maybe the guy with the best hands in this draft but even though he’s a heck of an athlete and person at best he’s an upgrade over Gabe Davis who doesn’t have Gabe’s vertical game. We are all happy with the move during the draft and think we have to be going after one or two more WRs to compete for the other outside spot right? I mean it’s the 2nd round and AD Mitchell and Troy Franklin are still on the board…Day 2 goes by and man we missed on Mitchell but I get it McD is the coach and he wanted to load up on D but it’s ok because tomorrow we can get Franklin or Walker who both show great burst off the line and work the intermediate and long game very well. Whoa whoa what’s going on here a RB run, don’t do it Beane. Well ok he looks like he could be really good and even though we missed out on Mitchell and Walker there are still some speedsters left in Ainais Smith, Malik Washington and man that Bub Means guy looks like he has potential as an outside big bodied deep threat. Oh well at least he looks like a starting caliber center that was good value, wait we traded our 5th rounder for next years 4th but the WRs…LB and pass rusher 🤦🏻‍♂️…welp we’ve got a couple late picks maybe to take a chance on Jerry’s kid ooph maybe those linemen will develop. Sorry for the run on but got caught up lol. I wouldn’t have taken this same approach in giving Josh every opportunity to crush it this year in a draft class loaded with potential at WR. At the very least I would’ve given more competition to outside WR instead of going with a bunch of retreads that never were in the NFL (Claypool, Hollins, Shrever, Isabella, Hamler). I hope one of those guys works out to play opposite of Coleman (my money is on Hamler) while Shakir, Samuel and Kincaid eat up the middle of the field but I am skeptical in the direction they went in the receiver room this offseason.

I hate that we passed on him. He’s got superstar potential if his effort is there. Wonder if he made it to 60 if we would’ve taken him over “Dalton’s” buddy

This is great research and another reason McD needs to be replaced by an offensive mind that will stay with Allen throughout his career like Reid and Mahomes. McD doesn’t bring any value and in most cases restricts Allen from his overall dominance. He’s the coach you bring in for a shift in culture, not to start a dynasty. I’m sure my take will get its share of dislikes and disagrees as per usual but it’s the truth

I do love his hands and I bet Josh will too

Shoot if we’re trading for a titans WR give me Hopkins over Burks for Elam

It told me they really feel highly in Hamler and Isabella because there were a lot of guys that fit their mold of taking the top off and they passed. They may have thought KR/speedster WRs like Ainais Smith and Malik Washington would be there for them later but I would’ve passed on drafting another LBer (ulo) in the 5th and taken one of them to compete with Hamler and Isabella. It was just such a deep WR class that it sucks we only got 1 and then loaded up on a bunch of never-weres in free agency. Hope it works out

That’s a good way to look at it. Just wish he would’ve used and took someone like Bub Means or Ainais Smith with the high 5th rounder instead of trading one of them for a 4th next year. But Beane will be Beane

I agree with you on the bishop angle and also on the Carolina trade. No reason to give up a 5th year option for a 5th round pick. I don’t agree with you on Beane having too much power. I like that he supposedly controls the room. You need someone decisive in making those trades and the chiefs trade was fine value if his board showed the WRs left were all the same tier. I don’t like that we parlayed that deal into getting a DT that probably would’ve been there in round 4 over an explosive speed WR like Franklin or Walker. The drop off of those type of WRs was drastic and he should’ve pounced there.

I always enjoy these little looks inside the draft room. Coleman is for sure a guy we will all gravitate towards and although I hated taking Carter so early over Franklin and Walker, he seems like a smart fit personality wise. Bishop was all about his former teammate Kincaid. Feel like every other sentence was something about “Dalton” lol. Feel bad for Joe Brady strolling over to Beane all passively asking for some speed, I feel you brother lol

I’d pick neither at this point and use that money elsewhere. We’ll see after this season

Miami didn’t have Josh Allen throwing to that speed. I agree we need a mix but we are definitely lacking in the vertical threat department right now and that will have defenses playing tighter upfront. Hopefully Hamler is that guy and stays healthy for us. I honestly think the overall draft was fine but switching out Franklin or Tez Walker for the DT Carter would’ve made it a great draft. Even grabbing Bub Means (or one of the little fast dudes like Ainais Smith or Malik Washington) late over one of the 5-7th round, maybe they’ll make the team, backups would’ve gotten us a deep threat to at least keep the defense honest and not smother our intermediate game. Hopefully Brady can make due because I’m happy the FO is making an effort at helping Josh with some of these signings and I love the juice Coleman has already brought to our team, I just think they missed the boat on adding a real vertical threat (honestly substitute Hollywood brown with Curtis Samuel and we killed the offseason for all of Josh’s needs)

It’s not for lack of trying with their FO and HC. They just don’t have the guy to win the SB at QB.

Woke up and saw this, just when I was trying to get over passing on Franklin and Walker 😭…Ravens are such a great drafting team year in and year out Tez Walker - because he’s an explosive deep threat our QB needs

Think you nailed it brother. I wouldn’t keep 6 LBs but McD will I’m sure. I also agree on the 4 WR locks. They need to make it a fair competition for the other 2 spots if they don’t bring in a vet. There’s no reason to just let Shorter have a spot just because he was a 5th rounder last year. I’d love to see Hamler get a legit shot at being the deep threat and would also be on board with bringing in another outside threat either in trade (Aiyuk) or after a few more vets get cut from making room for the rooks. I also really liked Cephus coming out but not sure he fits what we need outside. He was pretty clutch across the middle at Wisconsin though

Glad I put money on Chargers vs Lions SB. $20 to win $3k 🥳

If we had Hopkins with our current lineup I’d be buying my Super Bowl tickets yesterday