OldTimer1960

Why are they talking up Rex coming back? The lack of organization and discipline is chronic

Field position is huge now. Need 3 first downs just to punt it out OG FG range

Shocking defensive stand

Defense will offer no resistance - game over

Carpenter AGAIN is terrible.

50-50 at best.

Why take Watkins out? Defense knew they weren't passing then What the h3ll was that? Wait we needed to get Bush on the field

Yes, two big kick returns allowed in a row on top of the defense playing like a speed bump.

Whelp - can't count on this putrid d. Must win the coin toss to have any chance.

Another no stand from this awful defense

Special teams steps right up and gives up another big return

The defense must have one stand in them.

Holy cow, that even allowed? The opponents have to punt?

Well, way to start a defensive stand at midfield. Would be shocking to see defense hold

Yes, the defense is atrocious, but that doesn't mean that Taylor is a good starting QB. He has made a few "on time" throws today, but the fact that those stand out says a lot about Taylor as a passer.

I'd trade Marcel Dareus and our first and 2nd pick this year for Luck with no hesitation.

I think this is probably the case. No coach would design a one dimensional very run heavy offense if he thought that his QB was a good passer.

Watkins is very very good, but has been hurt. He was not hurt in college, so how could he know and who knows if he will not be injured after his foot heals? In hindsight, there were other great WRs in that draft (OBJ and Mike Evans), so maybe trading the extra 1st was questionable. The point about EJ is off-base. EJ was supposed to sit and learn as a rookie, Kevin Kolb got hurt and couldn't play. EJ actually wasn't horrid as a rookie, even when they knew whe was not ready to play. In year 2, Orton was not clearly better than Manuel, but Marrone wanted to play the vet. I don't think that Orton played well enough to keep Manuel on the bench, but that is water under the bridge. Overall, I am comfortable with Whaley's drafting - I think finding a QB IS hard unless the team totally crashes.

I'll eat crow here. Several weeks ago I posted that NO WAY should they pay him, but he has played very very well for the past 5 or 6 games - and he has had little in the way of pass rush help over those games. I think that Aaron Williams was a big loss and is likely to retire. I'd take the savings from his retirement and give them to Gilmore.

If think it is possible for the Bills to lose to Cleveland - especially if Cardale Jones starts. Cleveland lacks talent, but they are very competitive. They haven't won this year, but they haven't posted any complete no-shows and most of their games have been close. I think they could beat a very undisciplined team like the Bills, particularly if the Bills start a rookie who only had 10 college starts.

2nd string QBs don't get many practice reps in-season, 3rd stringers get mainly scout team reps. Cardale has talent that I don't want to see destroyed by playing him way too soon. He showed last season in college that he was not ready to be a starter. If NCAA defenses can stop him, what's gonna happen in the NFL?

I don't hate Tyrod Taylor, but I think we've seen enough to know that he isn't good enough to be an NFL starting QB. Still, I wouldn't want to see Cardale Jones thrown to the wolves after a season of getting very very few reps in practice and coming from college with 10 starts to his name. I think that would be a monumental mistake.

FANTASTIC!!!! Carpenter CANNOT still be employed tomorrow.

Carpenter is lucky to make an extra point.

Yep. Defense was non-existent except when Rothlisberger handed them two interceptions. Offense is beyond bad. No threat of the pass make a an easy to defend one dimensional team.