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i mean, I don’t think anyone considered him worse than the worst safety in the entire nfl when he was playing for us the year prior and im positive no one here saw enough reps from him last year to make that judgement its just over correcting the opposite direction to make a claim like that once off his rookie deal he will struggle to find work potentially but I doubt if he gets cut today his career is done

I have to think in the “drill” with an nfl all pro against a lady that’s never touched a football that a jury is not going to be eager to give a totally free pass to the guy crushing her just because “it’s a drill” it doesn’t give him a blank check to do whatever he is capable of to her

It’s truly all risk and no reward- and frankly the risk is immense. One tag along has a weapon and all of a sudden the debate is whether cam got shot as the aggressor or defending himself - but even the best case there is he got shot and the other guy goes to jail

Do you think there aren’t 50 or so guys on the roster that grew up fans of various non-bills teams? They’d all get a kick out of wearing the gear from the team that hey pretended to be winning the Super Bowl for on the playground I know it’s better left unsaid but your wife checks out other guys too. It’ll all be ok.

Yup hes not the answer but he’s acceptable depth. Or at least was, I have no idea where he’s at today really

Yea, I’d be curious to see the context of the quote fleshed out more but I assume it was simply a poorly phrased or poorly framed variation of “I grew up watching those guys, of course it’d be cool to wear the hometown jersey” every single guy here would think it’d be cool to play in Buffalo even if drafted elsewhere.

You’ve gotten angry in your age sir. I’m used to you just saying we have two elite players in response to stuff like that.

In addition to being trusted in big moments there’s the proverbial what if cook rolls an ankle. are we really thinking Ty Johnson and the 17th best back in the draft down the stretch? bingo

yea, using swift as a 1050 yards last year vs Ty Johnson’s 1050 in 6 years is definitely Ty, right?

I think where this thread is getting derailed is not seeing how cheap most of these guys will also be. the known name isn’t scary if coming in cheaper than Hines and harty etc…. And you may see household names in that price range Heck, if o on a dumpster dive salary deandre swift just played on a 1 year 1.7m for instance. That’s Ty Johnson money basically

the approach to the post Payton era has been just nonsensical. The only explanation is trying to preserve pride and avoid “it was just Sean and drew” comments I’ll echo, they have 40m on the books in the running back room if that’s where you map taysom. Plus they’ve locked themselves to carr for 2 more years and doubled down on Dennis Allen. It’s like they are praying all the bad choices just kind of work out and somehow they look good in the end

Yup - the issue isn’t doing it with Josh Allen. The problem is knowing carr isn’t the guy but restructuring him. now his cap hit for 2025 is 50m with 40m in dead money - for a guy you don’t want. he’s almost 30m in dead money to cut the following year now too they pushed chips in on a backup rb that’s going to cost them $5m this year. While taysom is a 15m player that’s basically a backup rb and wr4 at this point and kamara is a $19m hit. Think about that rb room at a $40m… is the problem that they restructure guys or that they created THAT situation?

the issue isn’t the overall strategy the issue is doing it with bad players to go sign more bad players

Because when Sean Payton left the front office and coaches didn’t want to take their medicine with a rebuild and made wild decisions that should be reserved for teams with at least a chance to compete. they continue To do so

you can’t pay top ten money for a backup and Knox will quickly be that. once Kincaid got here it became an entirely different issue than you are framing.

there’s a good chance he’s gone in 2 years - it needs to look better fast

that was his 2023 cap hit, but every buck he’s paid counts against the cap in the coming years still.

ummm I’m seeing 12.5m last year in cash flow to Knox between salary, roster bonuses, etc….

they were not likely in it if he walked, and Higgins might’ve took a different team out of it - so kind of the opposite?

my assumption in this claim wasn’t that the team was non guaranteeing payment of the bonus and then cutting the guy right after. You know. Because that’s not really a viable repeatable strategy the only reason worth discussing is because for some reason the team wanted to speed up the cap hit while keeping a player and that’s the opposite of helpful for them

Right, the future guarantee that no one would want to pay travelled with the player not an already paid sum that hasn’t been accounted for the inverse wouldn’t happen as it’s both worse for the player and the team

Dead money is generally money you’ve already paid but not yet taken a cap hit for. there’s no getting out of accounting for money you paid a guy. sometimes it’s a future guarantee but rarely - that you could negotiate technically

I think the more interesting conversation is if we stayed out, took someone else, and whether the saints snagged mahomes. I don’t think mahomes is a success had we taken him with that support (staff and roster) for multiple years before tooling up the offense

looking annually, doesn’t it essentially always come a good clip above preliminary estimates? I won’t say I track it religiously or anything but almost every year it feels like we see this late update and all the people saying “how in the world do certain teams spend like they do? this will be the year it catches up!” have to wait another year.

though they picked up a guy with the skill set to potentially be as good or better, if he does actually perform at projected potential could’ve been just about anyone. The dude has about as much leg talent and potential as anyone- why not take a cheap swing at him to see if you can steal a few years cheap