BADOLBILZ

Less than 2% of the general population of adult males in the US weigh 300# or more. What would you say that % is on an NFL team? 11 - 13 out of 53? So 20-25%. Yeah..........thanks for your assistance with my larger point. And congratulations on combining "he became a freak about nutrition" with "going to Chipotle to get two burrito bowls at 9:30 at night" and selling the latter as PROOF of the former.

I'm an aware that you present yourself as a medical expert.......at least on the internet.........but before bothering to go thru all of those pointless gymnastics and THEN have you decide that they have little bearing on the topic.........what % of players do you presume would have qualified as being at a higher than normal risk..........thus qualifying for the $350K non-refundable opt out? That's what we are talking about here. The only point I am making with regard to the general medical aspect of the opt outs is that obesity is considered to put one at a much higher risk for any number of diseases/afflictions. That is generally accepted as fact. If you are basing your need to argue that point on some straw man devised by Royale then you are wasting your time.

If you think these 300# guys are in great physical condition because they are being paid to play football I suggest you read up on Matt Birk. He was considered a very athletic lineman and yet even in the offseason he had to one-foot walk down stairs and couldn't go on walks with his family because it was too exhausting. He dropped 75 pounds and now he is running marathons. These dudes operate athletically in a relative phone booth. They are not necessarily in good cardiovascular condition. If you want to debate the point provide actual counterpoints. If you are so certain there only 2 players in the NFL that have diabetic/insulin issues that you declare it as FACT then at least NAME them. Show some kind of work instead of just insisting that obese people aren't more susceptible to disease concerns.........because that position is medically accepted as fact.

1) Honestly, the question was so unrelated to what I actually said that I was giving him the benefit of the doubt that he misread it. He could have addressed that, he chose not to because he knew his question was chaff with a hat. 2) As I said earlier.........according to the AHA........more than 1/3 of adult males have heart disease. Now add in all of the other health risk factors.......and non-heart related afflictions like diabetes......... involved with being a 300# NFL OL and you have a recipe for a very large amount of people who could have opted out. I could straw man YOU here and say.........."you are saying that nobody with underlying medical conditions did NOT opt out"..........but the reality is that even you and @Royale with Cheese know that there were inevitably MANY more players with them that played than with them that opted out. It's a statistical certainty. If you want to continue to argue.........I will continue to make fun of each of your illogical takes. And as with your predecessor in this argument.........refrain from calling people or their takes stupid or idiotic etc.......non-descript, de-humanizing terms are unproductive for advancing discussion.........that's just a sign that you are out of control with your anger. Keep it together.

The post I was responding to was pondering what the Bills WR corps might look like NOW if they made a different decision in 2014.............not simply "revisiting the 2014 draft".........8 drafts ago is an eternity in the NFL though.......if you found that off-topic, which I did not, you should take it up with @bills6969. In the meantime, it's called "advancing a discussion", officer.

@Royale with Cheese was trying to pull a straw man........out of pettiness, I assume. He said that I claimed that all 300 POUND lineman had underlying health conditions. Here is what I said: "And that issue is usually very much a function of being overweight and obese. Like all 300# NFL lineman." The definition of obesity is being 20% or more over your ideal weight. Now you can argue whether there are a handful of 300# players that are not 20% over their ideal weight...........but those would be exceptions. Maybe you think guys who have to wake up in the middle of the night to eat so they don't lose weight in their sleep are living a very healthy lifestyle but I would suggest otherwise. Even the "leaner" OL are actually carrying a lot of extra weight to be able to play the position.

Oh sure, throw Beane under the bus.

That would be a great fit for him. I'd rather he ended up in NE than there.

As critical of the Ford selection, and his play, as I have been..........he does have two seasons of team control left so he could in theory end up as a backup to Lamp and then succeed him in 2022 if Lamp does well and departs in FA. I won't shed a tear if he gets sent off but they've got guys like Lamp and Bates and Boettger (and essentially Morse) on one year deals so if Ford shows improvement I could see them holding on to him even if he can't beat out Lamp or Feliciano for work.

To play Yolo's advocate tho.........he might be getting married or having a child born etc..

It's good business sense. If every team had ONE stud TE then it would be a huge disadvantage not to have one. When things are needed they become more valuable $$$. The scarcity of good TE's actually works against them at contract time because teams are accustomed to operating successfully without them.

He was only converted from QB to TE with the Bills. But he had been signed to the PS by Whaley just weeks before Rex got canned so he wasn't a McBeane guy. Had they signed him they might have had more patience........obviously the Bills TE room has been one of the league's worst since McD arrived. But with the clusterf*ck that the 2018 offense was it's not surprising that evaluation mistakes were made.

His son Robert was a big time QB recruit a decade ago. Played at the U and then Purdue and I thought he might carve out a nice career in the CFL but he gave up after a year and a half.

Kelce tries to pressure Kittle to run more routes after practice etc..

Again.......you thought I wrote 300+.........I wrote 300#..........you misread it........making it a totally different point.😂 Go down to your local Dollar Tree and get a pair of these:

Got to give the people what they want. I'm working on a dramatic ending for the star saga........this is what I got so far:

It's time for reading glasses dude. I didn't say 300+..........I said 300#.

I think in general most fans have come to realize that drafting a RB in the first round is a no-no.............but they are using the "final piece of the puzzle" idea very liberally as an excuse to make an exception. The problem with saying the #30 is like a second rounder idea is that #30 has a lot more value than #33..........because the team gets a 5th year option on first rounders. Which is VERY important for players at key positions that can get very expensive. Even if you hope to sign them to an extension sooner it is a big bargaining chip. In the case of Josh Allen.........even with a VERY high 5th year option # it is far less expensive to pick up that option than what his aav will be on his next deal. It provides leverage for the team and impetus for the player to get a deal done. Being free to walk after year 4 is a gift for players at high dollar positions. I agree that the pick was better used on a high ceiling pass rusher.

Why are you immune to the wrath of @Royale with Cheese? He's frickin' demanding I provide data that proves fat people are more at risk for heart disease.............if he asks me to prove that water is wet I might need your help.

Yeah my point was that they weren't the final piece of championship puzzle as a rookie...........like Tony Dorsett in 1977 was..........which is a big part of the argument behind drafting Etienne. I don't think anyone believes Etienne is going to have the career impact that those guys had generations ago when RB's were still often the best athletes on teams...........but they do have expectations that aren't supportable with comparable examples of that.

No...........in fact, nothing in @Hapless Bills Fan response said anything about that. However.........you should join the "open a thread about a subject and complain about that subject matter being discussed again in that thread club" with @NewEra. (I kid NewEra, I kid)

Yeah, that was a REAL low blow making light of you shutting down a thread that everyone knew was going to get shut down by someone. Either that or a missed opportunity for you to have a sense of humor about a situation with a controversial player that everyone knew was going to come to a head at some point. People make excuses for a player based often on faith in them..........and then when it starts looking like that faith wasn't warranted........THEN they get upset. This is the beginning of THEN. Based on McD actually addressing the situation with a negative...........I'd say not wanting him around is an option.

Yeah..........and considering how little a 10 year vet 1 tech DT would have to gain from being at a voluntary OTA............sounds like patience with his reasoning for not being with the team is running thin. McBeane are humans........it can be expected that they didn't enjoy his decision to opt out and have been wondering about his commitment to the team.