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Diggs did have a pretty great true freshman year, though. I'm really not sure what to make of Shorter never having a good season. Seems likely there has been a comparable player who has panned out but I can't think of one.

It feels like that because Star Lotulelei was such trash but it was only 4 years and 3 seasons actually played by The Polynesian Pylon. Dareus was playing excellent at 1 tech in 2017 before the trade and carried that over in Jax the rest of that year. Prior years, the KW and MD combo were excellent but different systems with very different asks of DT's. Daquan was just solid.........but yeah, it was a relief after the horrible Beane additions of 2018-2021.

Maybe, because he's under 6' but he actually has Nick Broeker length arms.......sub 33"......pretty normal length arms for an interior DL. The wingspan comes from his shoulder width.

At his age Daquon needs to be year to year. I'm really hoping for a MLB that doesn't need to be kept spotless. Instincts would be a nice change.

Like KW.......a fellow meatball......NT was probably the least of the bad fits for him in a 3-4. I think Carroll was just defending him for not being as impactful. He played 20% less snaps in 2022 than 2021.

Yeah see I was thinking 1 tech in Leslie Frazier Bills defense. Maybe it's an indicator that the Bills want more pass rush from the position and are less concerned about tying up blockers with a big body like Jones.......and with Tremaine gone and the style of defense likely to change a bit. If he pans out as a 1 tech for Buffalo.......he might be in line for a contract extension in Buffalo with Daquon moving on instead of being extended?

Yeah Seattle switched to a 3-4 last season. If people recall........the Bills did that when Chan took over and hired George Edwards. That forced Kyle Williams to play NT..........which was his best fit in THAT defense.........but he was terrible there. Awful. He either made a tackle or opened up a massive lane to run thru or the QB to step up thru. That's what happened to Poona Ford. He's not a real 2 gap NT. DT1T is supposed to give some pass rush but I don't think that's what you want there.

Yeah I thought Buffalo interested him in part because of the opportunity to get back to 3T and make plays. Al Woods was the 1T opposite him. He's a free agent too and a much better 1T than Ford. THAT guy is about on par with Daquon Jones. He's old as dirt but still good. Hopefully he follows Poona to Buffalo.

Who said Poona Ford was going to be the backup 1 tech? Beane? Poona Ford has played his best football over the outside shoulder of the guard..........which is Ed Oliver's position in the Bills D.......3T. I've always viewed him as a penetrating 3T.

Easley was like that. Hardest worker type. Very high character. The difference between those guys and good NFL WR's is the details. If you don't have them at a smaller size you don't even get a chance at the NFL. But the big guys sometimes do. Kumerow would shred practices but in game situations it was clear that his technique and hands weren't good enough to beat NFL CB's. Easley actually almost looked like he was going to make the jump to a starting NFL WR(which was admittedly a lower bar in the NFL back then) but then had a broken leg that cooked his career if I recall correctly.

Yeah, and I follow all that stuff. Every day I get updated on recruiting so I know most of these top guys and that colors your opinion of them as prospects when the time comes. I'm just very underwhelmed by his production. There is not a huge difference between an Easley or Kumerow level nobody and a Gabe Davis level big play, very good WR3. The difference really shows up in actual games and in availability. A lot has to go right at that size. But if it does.......it's a great advantage.

His initial description of the pick was that they had a similarly graded defensive player but chose him instead because he had a better chance to make the roster as a special teamer. He's since given him more props. His tape is better than you'd think, IMO...........but my actual expectations for him are like this guy below. 4th rounder Marcus Easley. Very little college production but big, strong and fast. We waited on him to play up to the sum of his perceived talents for many years. He was a beast on ST's but never put it together as an offensive player and injuries didn't help.

Yeah to me Broeker has a good chance to be an NFL starter at some point. Maybe not for a long duration.......but I have to question if the people who say he won't ever start have seen the state of OL play in the NFL. Really good value for a draft that, in general, was seen as shallow. Glad they didn't pass on a second guard just because they went with Torrence early. CB and IOL were the deepest positions, IMO and if you do it right you get the value the draft offers. Just wish they got one of the big traits CB's earlier. There have been some good CB drafts recently but there is no guarantee that continues so make hay when the sun shines or risking reaching for need later. Drafts rarely pan out like they look right after they happened, but the Williams pick in round 3 looks like the one spot where they should have gotten more value on paper. But maybe he pans out great. He has much better physical tools than Bernard.

Yeah there was another ***** on that line too. That opening day OL was the least experienced non-strike offensive line to start an NFL game since the merger.

Give it another few years. I had a kid in little league 3 years ago and every kid on the team was an aden, aben or alen. All of them. It's just beginning.

Memorable, but ultimately a really dumb draft. Maybin and a bunch of low hanging fruit at non-premium positions that you can't pay market rate to if you haven't developed your own talent at premium positions. Good example of going broke making a profit. If your second round pick pans out big.......like Byrd becoming an All Pro or Levitre becoming a standout OG.......and you don't have adequate replacements but still don't feel like you NEED to keep those guys........you drafted the wrong guy/position.

I assume he was wearing no-show socks. I'd hope so, at least.

So you are taking satisfaction in the pain of your fellow Boston pro sports fans? I can see why you went to youtube and didn't just go bust balls on the Celtics or Red Sox boards you are part of as a Boston fan.........but man that's still awkward. In pro sports you take up for the city or you don't root for the teams. I really thought you'd sit out this episode of schadenfreudery.

I thought they took DK Decaf in the 5th? This is the UDFA thread.

He played for the Bills but he's always a Dolphin to me

Their payroll used to be 80% of their revenue back in the early 2000's. George gauged profit in the millions. Hal has payroll at 30-40% of revenue and gauges it in hundreds of millions. He is the reason they don't win championships. Both because he won't spend what it takes and because he refuses to change his management team because he's not compelled to win at the expense of decreasing profits. And that's how greed works........the more you make the more you want. As much as the draft is seen by some as a crap shoot........the top 10 is still typically where teams get superstars and they haven't sniffed a top 10 pick in decades. The Judge contract is a pittance in the grand scheme of a team with $900M+ revenues. Signing Ohtani at $50M aav barely moves the needle compared to George either. Now they are forced to on-the-job train 3-4 modestly talented rookies to fill roles all at the same time. That's going to be painful to watch them learn how to hit major league pitching. Hopefully if they don't get the ship righted they bring up even more young players and at least set a foundation for their ultimate plan........which is 7 positional starters on entry deals and under team control for several more years by 2025.

Cashman isn't creating any synergy with his moves..........but ultimately the lack of lineup depth is on Hal Steinbrenner. When you have 30 consecutive winning seasons you never draft high. You need to EXPECT to be by far the highest spending team by this time. Drawing the line at the Cohen tax and hanging on to dead weight like Hicks because of his salary was just idiotic. He would have washed out of the league a couple years ago without that contract. Harrison Bader? League average hitter with injury issues and hits from right side. They shouldn't have gone into the season with these guys figuring prominently in their OF mix. Cashman should be gone, because other GM's have proven they can get more talent than the sum of their capital indicates they should have.........but Hal knew what he had in Cashman and should have kept spending if he wasn't going to make a change. They aren't the Red Sox or Mets just a year or two removed from losing seasons and drafting high......they've never had any kind of reset at all since the early 1990's. On the plus side.........pitching coach Matt Blake continues to be a difference maker........THAT guy squeezes production out of a pitching staff. If they had some bats at the bottom of the lineup they'd be doing well.

Kelce entered the league in age 24 season.......immediately suffered a season ending injury and really didn't begin his NFL career in earnest until age 25 season. I am less concerned about TE's starting a bit later because I think knowing how to protect yourself from injury is half the battle at the position.........and maturity is a plus in that regard.

It's the Star Lotulelei effect. Fans got used to the Bills paying top dollar for a lousy DT1T play so solid rotational play seems like premium production. Jones is literally the same player he'd always been at $4M per year.......and the two teams that had him were still like "meh" and let him walk. He got a bump in pass rush production with the Bills but that should happen when you join the team who tends to win by the most points of any team in the conference. It's not like TN or Carolina where they were hoping to be tied going into the 4th quarter every week.