BADOLBILZ

Henceforth we can presume no 3rd round pick in 2026.

Oh there is doubt about that. They just haven't played well defensively(regardless of seasonal rank) and have repeatedly choked in the clutch offensively in their losses. What there is no doubt about is that they haven't had enough difference makers. McDermott and Beane even vocalized that in no uncertain terms at the end of the season. They haven't had those guys. I think some people don't want to reference that because they know that nobody they acquired projects as a difference maker based on their most recent results. This is not like the wide right Bills.......the Josh Allen Bills are falling 2-3 wins short of the prize every year. Hell the two divisional round games they won against the Ravens they were bad offensively and the defense got them thru with turnovers/big plays. It's just hard to get thru a series of really good teams in the playoffs when you don't have a Chris Jones or Travis Kelce to finish games and the opponent does.

I like it. Marino took his handle, he can take Marino's handle. Reminds me of the old days when you could log onto TSW and type any name in and start posting. Late 90's. I'd get on and see someone using my name and having conversations about birds and other sh!t that I would never be having. It was amusing because nothing they could say could be more controversial than my truthful opinions about the Bills. Like the impending salary cap disaster that the majority of the board insisted I was wrong about. TSW @Joe Marino should adopt some controversial takes!

Yep if you Billieve so strongly in the Bills WR's why are you even in the thread? When I see a topic I think is BS or don't have an opinion on I don't even think of opening it. I don't go in just to exclaim that fans are just so negative or imply that there is an ulterior motive for their opinion outside of wanting a better football product put on the field. 😂 It's just idiotic. Our all time homer/fan-shamer on TSW really exposed it all one time when he drunk posted from a bar whining pathetically about why do the Bills hurt him so much? What did he do to deserve this? Then he sobered up and went right back to bashing fans for having any expectations. They can't put the failure on the organization. That would be treason. They can't process that it's ultimately just a product created by a multi-billion dollar entertainment industry. Instead they turn their frustration on the fans.

What I think you discount is the importance of being clutch on offense. Allen and the offense have choked in the clutch with victory in sight in 3 of 4 chances against Houston and KC. I really couldn't care less about counting points allowed against the Chiefs anymore. The games were eminently winnable. Bills fans are just myopic on the topic. The Kansas City defense averages allowing just over 30 points per game in the SB with Mahomes. But has won 3 of 5 because they've produced in the clutch offensively. Tyreek came up huge the first one. Kelce has been surreal in the clutch over and over. His playoff numbers are unreal. Worthy tore the Bills up in the AFCCG. Meanwhile........Allen has had the vanishing choke artist Diggs and a bunch of forgettable nobodies. The one game where Allen looked clutch at the end was when a receiver put up a 200 yard game.

They also had the ball at the end with a chance to salt away the Chiefs in the last two playoff losses and Allen and the offense face planted epically. Haven't had the necessary amount of playmakers on either side of the ball and the Chiefs and Bengals did.........and that's the story of the 5 straight AFC playoff losses to end their season since Allens' breakout season in 2020. Based on the most recent production from the player's they've added.........that hasn't changed. There is more reason for optimism that Lamar is due for another high ankle sprain that ruins his season and/or that the Chiefs are just weary from 7 straight very deep playoff runs than there is that Bosa and Ogunjobi will return to form or Josh Palmer or Keon Coleman will become a WR1. There has been a lot of fellating of the Eagles by people who couldn't have named 5 players on the team 4 months ago..........but they had their biggest competitors(Detroit and SF) decimated by injury giving them a pretty easy run to the SB. Beane appears to have lost ground to KC and Baltimore on paper this offseason but it's a long season.

Of course, but most teams implies that there are 32 relevant to the discussion. There aren't. I know that's why you lead with Philly last offseason but the Bills have more question marks at the premium, highest valued positions than Philly, KC, Baltimore, Detroit and Green Bay. Most of the crowded next tier down has more difference makers at premium positions as well.

Ohhh I see. And just how many SB wins has that optimism been rewarded with. 😂 Because that's what we are talking about here. There is a reason you can't keep it on topic.

Obviously Howie is in another league at evaluating talent than our boy Beane though. Maybe a tier above anyone for that matter. Beane has had just one free agent hit in his now 6 prior offseasons as Bills GM. Daryl Williams.......who had been an All Pro prior. Miller might have made it if not for injury but still when you sign an old timer you gotta' get the credit when he is a bust. After Williams it's JAG's like Rapp, Edwards and Hollins at the top of his success list. Meanwhile, the list of DL free agent busts and overpays is LONG so while we can HOPE.......that complete lack of success colors the outlook for Bosa and Ogunjobi. Beane hasn't found a diamond in the rough or a reclamation draft pick that's panned out big. Certainly not like Baun or Becton. They were stars last year. You gotta' go back to Whaley getting Lorax, Brown, and Tyrod to see any Pro Bowl quality production for such small investments. But the primary difference between what Roseman and Beane do is that Howie has filled his premium positions with premium talent. I mean, give me perennial 78 ypg WR1(Brown) and 64 ypg WR2(Smith) and I am good with spending the WR3 money on Saquon Barkley. Give me a group who can put up 70 sacks and I am good with drafting a nose tackle in round 1. Howie has just been SO good at talent procurement that he doesn't need a road map like Beane. And Howie tends to make his moves on his terms. Beane always seems to be chasing and overpaying in free agency or trade.

Yeah I see it more like this......... if he can't produce either of volume or efficiency when given 100+ targets.......this far into his career...... then he probably isn't going to do it here returning to being a role player. He's also an idiot. This unsportsmanlike penalty cost Ole Miss their rivalry game with Miss St. He KNEW it was going to draw a penalty. That's the kind of knuckleheaded loser he's been. Wasn't a surprise when he became a problem in NY when he failed to earn PT. Cleveland was far from set at WR and they made very little effort to retain a 25 year old with 4.35 speed for a reason. If he's on the roster on opening day I will root for him but this is a really sketchy add for a lot of reasons.

Expect or just hoping for? There is a long list of players like Samuel who had bad years last year that they are counting on a lot more from this year. Bosa, Ogunjobi, Epenesa, Daquan, Milano, Kincaid, Bishop, Coleman and now Moore. Hariston and Deone Walker are both coming off down years in college. Tre White and Dane Jackson were terrible last year as well but hopefully neither has to start. Hope seems to be the strategy.

It's all entertainment old man. If it makes you miserable that's a you problem. It's not that emotional for me. I'm here to talk straight about a product where the objective is to win the SB. You are here to displace your disappointment with the team onto fans.

Yes, definitely. And Cooper is washed. But he's a pro. He's not going beat you with mental errors. He is not going to finish 98 of 98 in lowest passer rating when targeted. If Moore is guaranteed the money that the tag seemed to guarantee him($3.75M?)........that is more than Mack Hollins was guaranteed($3.5M) on a 2 year deal in New England. Maybe Hollins wanted NOTHING to do with the Bills......but it makes more sense that they just misplayed their hand with him. They need more help on the boundary than in the slot. It's all shooting low........bringing back Cooper or Hollins.........but they managed to do worse than low. If you are a team that only stocks 5 WR on their 53......you should stock 5 GOOD ones.

First, let's acknowledge that you were also one of the more vocal, irrational "WR is quietly getting better" people. Second, EVERY ONE of you either admitted you were wrong or hid from the discourse when the very predictable happened and good teams squatted on the Bills short pass limited offense and totally shut it down. Third, Beane admitted he and his apologists were wrong by desperately trading a pick he greatly valued WEEKS before the trade deadline because it was THAT obvious that the offense was in trouble. There was no time to lose. They could not afford to be anything but a top offense and the reason why a top WR earns so much money is that their presence can entirely change how a defense has to attack them. Lastly, your Shakir stat doesn't track. Implying that they would have scored 30 against Baltimore if he just finished the game is ridiculous. He was missed in Houston for sure but the difference just made the difference between horrible and all-time bad. He was back for the uninspiring offense performance in NJ the week after. That's when Beane pulled the trigger on the Cooper deal.

I doubt there was even that much strategy involved. It's a stretch for Moore to go back to returning punts. The reason the team wasn't hovering around .500 on December 1 like they have been often since 2021 is because they didn't give those games away with turnovers like they so often had. That's pretty much it. And as the second worst YAC guy in the NFL in 2024 he clearly doesn't have the juice/escapability to be a return guy. 😂 I think the music just stopped in free agency and Moore was the only chair available. 92 out of 98 is still top 98, right? If one of the 4 NFL WR's on the roster gets hurt they are down to practice squad trash that has no business playing offense.

Yep 3rd string slot receiver for $4M. And the two guys on the boundary would be better fits inside. 😂

You weren't worried about WR last offseason either. Then Baltimore and Houston happened. The latter being one of the worst performances by an NFL QB this century. Because of insufficient quality at WR. So you were proven wrong. Beane had to burn a precious 3rd round pick to address it with a player coming off a 1200 yard season that teams had to respect as a deep threat. And they subsequently produced a full TD more per game after that. (As Beane is proud to note) That's the difference between being the 2nd highest scoring offense and finishing 11th(Arizona). And for further perspective on what that kind of disparity means........the Bills ranked 11th in defensive DVOA last season and the prevailing sentiment among fans and local/national media is that they were bad defensively.

That was just a total bunch of nonsensical horsesh!t and counter-claims to things I never said. Gaslighting the board like that is the lowest form of communication on here. Fact free shout-downs. The FACT is that he was trash last year when finally given a big opportunity. EXPECTING him to be better is foolish.

Yeah Beane is late to the party when it comes to the value of drafting and developing WR talent. He's had a couple day 3 guys pan out as high end WR3's in Davis and Shakir. But everything else Allen has had at WR has had to be acquired at great expense thru trade or free agency. Those moves tend to yield very short term rewards and then you gotta' double down with another vet etc.. But they are necessary when you don't take shots in the draft. WR is not an easy position to evaluate........there is a high failure rate, for sure. You gotta' take shots. Over the years we've pointed out a lot of players Beane has passed over who would have been excellent additions to the WR corps. But also, Beane's obsession with trading up on day 1 and 2 for anything but a WR has cost them some picks that would have been well spent on WR. The Edmunds trade up cost them pick 65. The next WR selected after pick 65 was Michael Gallup........who would have been an outstanding fit with Allen. The next year they traded up for Cody Ford. It was only 2 spots up but the next WR picked after the selection they dealt(158) was Darius Slayton. Two guys who would have provided a key missing element for the team in the early 2020's. So it's not even just the actual picks it's a combination of non-swings and failed trade-ups.

Yeah @MrEpsYtown is one of our best posters but he has it backward. Poking holes implies that something looks like it will be great but obscure reasons are being made why it won't. Moore was horrendous last year and has never been good. He's more holes than whole. You are spot on that the guys that have worked out had proven their ability elsewhere. Good receivers can put up stats wherever they are. In many cases the stats are even better when they are one of the top targets and the QB doesn't see the field well because they get force-fed the ball. Jerry Jeudy had a breakout year with that bad Browns QB situation. Moore should have done the same but there is no putting lipstick on that pig of a season he just had. His traditional bulk stats were terrible for a 100 target guy and his advanced stats were even worse. We can hope that he learns how to play WR. That's where we should be with this signing.

Monday night is the draft lottery. Always the biggest day on Sabres calendar.

Has anyone mentioned that getting Jackson is like having a second 1st round pick? Or does the first pick have to be a RB with a busted knee?

Poke holes?😂 He was literally one of the worst WR in the NFL last year. Bringing in a player who gets his team beat by causing turnovers with stupid and/or sloppy play is a step in the wrong direction. Didn't we learn that getting rid of turnover creators like Gabe Davis and Lil' Dummy McKenzie was a net positive? Moore doesn't even address the need for deep threat on the boundary. He's redundant but so much worse than Shakir/Samuel. Big Stu's third wife wants a much bigger life insurance policy than his previous two mistakes.

Perhaps more than any individual player they've added, it will be more interesting to see if Ryan Nielsen can impact their pass rush. They still don't have anyone who is likely to put up 10 sacks. They've routinely underachieved in that regard, relative to talent on hand, IMO. Epenesa is a guy who has a chance to make a fortune if he can elevate his game in this walk year. You'd hope he'd be their most improved DL this season but I think he is kind of an afterthought to most after he failed to step up in his last walk year and just didn't show much last year.

He.....not going to be there anymore.