starrymessenger

Listenbee has a chance to turn into something IMO. Some say he might have gone in the 3rd had he not been injured. I think that may be a stretch but he would have gone higher. Some say he is a body catcher. I disagree. He can and does use his hands. Tracks the ball very well. He is a burner with a sturdy physique. Concern for me is a non-existent route tree, not sure if he can be quick enuf out of his breaks and I wonder why he does not get better separation on go routes with his wheels. Could be a function of his limited routes and opposition putting their fastest corner on him. Not really banking on him but I think he has a chance to contribute. Hope so. Time will tell.

WR at 10 is also my guess as most likely, esp if the S are gone. I've got this funny feeling that Whaley has a man crush on OJ Howard however even tho I feel we probably have enuf to work with at the position. Howard would be my "surprise" pick at 10.

I've only seen him play half dozen times or so but I was impressed with him. Agree about the flags but he is a red ass ballplayer on the field and I really like that competitive spirit. It may be two sides of the same coin but if he can grow up a bit shed the flags and keep the will to win he looks to me like a really good prospect. To me a fifth would be a very good risk/reward profile. I will be interested to see where he goes.

Well why do you say that and how can you be so sure.

Too fat to push away from the table I guess. When he goes camping the bears hide their food.

Agree completely with the Cotton Bowl comment. And thats why I am confident he will 1) adjust and 2) eventually dominate.

If we haven't already pulled the trigger on someone else I have a hard time passing on him if he is there in the fifth. Looks like a very talented QB to me. I don't care if he's a little crazy as long as he's not young Richie batsh*t crazy.

He's the good pickup that wasn't (unfortunately). Would have been an upgrade to JH, who some are sad to see leave. Has the physicality that JH just doesn't. Its football after all. Oh well.

Well, to your point, CD is pretty much a consensus top 15 pick and unquestionably a first round talent.

Sure. I hear you. Both prospects still have a lot to prove. CD was a man amongst boys but so was a certain recent Raider of note. And what big time college programme did TO graduate from? Almost 100% of the time you have to project how a guy will transition based on the skill set you think you see. Thats why the draft is a crap shoot. I think CD will develop into a premier WR in the bigs in a couple of years, maybe along the lines of J. Nelson ( who I know was a second round pick). And he may well be better than that. JMO.

Not surprised by this. I take your point about MW being the better # 2 opposite SW but I believe Davis may well give you most of what MW can and then much of what MW may not. So I go with the more complete player.

Idk. We do not appear to have many (if any) options. So in the circumstances I am in the camp of those who hope that Tyrod's most glaring shortcomings as a passer are at least partly due to the fact that his development as an NFL passer was hindered by scheme, a depleted WR corps, playcalling, and what in the short term appeared to the coaches to give us the best chance of winning (probably with justification). My hope is that the new staff will have more success in bringing him along. For now though, in spite of his having adequate arm strength and being a phenomenal athlete, I have seen exactly zero indication that he is capable of making the harder throws with any consistency that is the hallmark of an NFL passer. McCoys comment that he is a RB playing QB is a little harsh IMO but not far off the mark. If thats the right conclusion though it will never be good enuf. The Bills have signed him up though so maybe the coaches think they can work with him to up his game. If that is right then if we can shore up our WR corps some really good things are in store for this O.

I tend to agree with you. Williams is a blue chip prospect to be sure but he is no Calvin Johnson (though he may be another Dez Bryant). Something north of 4.5 was what I expected from him but given his game there is nothing wrong with that. His neck injury is a concern for some though. Some also question CDs breakaway speed but though we wont get to see it now even at his pro day my guess was that he was going to run sub 4.5. and a good 5/100s better than Williams at least. There are also questions concerning his ability to separate against top level coverage viz Wisconsin and OS but he is a very good route runner and explosive out of his breaks. He has a habit of running into coverage at times but this is probably just a reflection of the physicality of his game and can be coached out of him along with the other little nits (assuming you are a believer). For me Davis is the more complete receiver who can do everything you want and need for him to do at a high level. Neither guy is a true # 1 immediately from the get go but both can reasonably be expected to grow into that role in a couple of years. On teams with an adequate passing attack or better I think CD is the better option and were it not for the fact that Tyrod is our QB I think he'd be the perfect # 2 opposite Sammy. Thing is maybe Williams might be the better target in the short run given what appears to be the Bills situation under center.

Yeah 2008 was a funny year. Cudos to the Pack for targeting J. Nelson. Thought Jackson falling to the second was strange given the very strong endorsement he received from Jerry Rice, who knew him well. Corey Davis is the real deal IMO. Does absolutely everything at a high level and does not appear to have any limitations or flaws to his game. Rare talent.

Devin Thomas. Second WR off the board after Donnie Avery. Neither is to be compared with C. Davis, who is an absolute stud and probably worthy of a top ten pick.

Even if the guy is not an agent I find the report credible. If you had just made 30 million you'd likely need a financial advisor.

This has been my view all along. Draft C. Davis, sign RW (or equivalent) and with Clay and (hopefully) a healthy SW and presto you have a top flight receiving corps. Get a QB that is a good fit for the WCO (like Foles) and this offence can be explosive. The 400 or so Tyrod rushing yards that you lose are more than made up for in a run game that is less predictable and harder to defence and you have wideouts that can excel in both the short passing game and who can take the top off as well.

If the Bills try and restructure Tyrod to me it must mean that they see some not insignificant upside to his passing game, in other words that his evident difficulties and lack of development as a passer are partly attributable to scheme, offensive philosophy, playcalling, lack of quality/availability of WRs ....If what we've seen so far over two years is really all you can expect signing him makes no sense to me unless he is truly only competing for a starting job and facing the possibility that he might serve as a backup if another QB outperforms him. Does anyone really see the Tyrod of 2016 running a WC offence, if thats the direction we go in? Not me.

If Tyrod can improve as a passer in a more balanced O I'm good with him. If not then somebody else.

Wow. And thats why I want Corey Davis

How did the hawk not catch it?

They win if Bennett does not play and Ben brings his A game.

Atl getting the calls today. No safety, AR gets clobbered in the head no penalty...

True very underwhelming but sign Woods (if you can) draft Corey Davis and guess what - your receiving corps is suddenly very good. So the solution is possibly out there, probably all depends on how you prioritize your needs (assuming Davis is there at #10. I would take him ahead of Williams.

I think we have to move past this idea that he can still be successful without an overhaul of his mechanics throwing the football. The great Aaron Rodgers is not good when falls back into his bad habits.