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100 points to colgate. Unbelievable. They were outhustled period end of story.

That's actually a very good point and I can't disagree. What I was trying to say was that phrase is falling on deaf ears. It is time to mix up the message as it has lost it's effect on the team. Now instead of it meaning something, it is just something they say but don't believe. However your points stands and not being humble and hungry is exactly what bothered me about that game.

Boom is the name of the Robert Kraft/Adam Schefter book. https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ny-adam-schefter-robert-kraft-gambling-20210923-o5r72a27fjbjdkzhijjocdqbyi-story.html NFL approved Gambling Sites (official NFL partners): https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-agreements-with-four-approved-sportsbook-operators#:~:text=NEW YORK -- The National,for the 2021 NFL season. The first 3 sites to partner: https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-tri-exclusive-sports-betting-partners Plans to allow gambling inside of the stadium: The new NFL-NFLPA collective bargaining agreement takes the league through 2030 and paints a picture of a future with owners and players profiting off bets placed by gamblers at sportsbooks inside stadiums. Some of the gambling revenue split by owners and players could be based on the outcome of wagers, defined in the CBA as "the aggregate net difference between gaming wins and losses https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/28930507/new-cba-allows-owners-players-cash-stadium-sportsbooks So the league may not own any sites but it is certainly already profiting off of the partnership, will directly make more or less money dependent on betting outcomes, and has a team owner and league mouthpiece that own a site. It really isn't difficult to see that this is a troubling development. When the team owner is the same team that has been caught cheating multiple times, it makes me uneasy to say the least. When there are literal billions of dollars at stake, I think it would be more naive to think everything is on the up and up than not. Remember it doesn't have to be league wide. It can be single official. All it takes is 1 person to be influenced to create doubt in the entire system.

Since Sunday I have been trying to find the words about this game and you did it very well. I think humble and hungry has run its course. It's a phrase that is useful for an up and coming team but now the Bills are the lead dogs. There was a quote a couple of weeks ago that was telling to me that I can't find. It was along the lines of we know we are good and the other teams know we are good. Maybe Poyer said it? That is an okay mindset as long as you don't rest on the belief that you are good and forget the work that made you good. I think it was easy to see Jacksonville defense was playing with more urgency than the Bills offense. Josh looked strangely aloof as he continuously just went back and plopped on the same seat at the end of the bench. Jax Josh Allen looked like he was competing to be the top Josh Allen (pointing at the name on his jersey after the int) and played with his hair on fire the whole game. I think the oline got their lunch handed to them. I also think the entire offense thought they would just turn it on and be fine as they have done in several games this year (just last week against Miami). I also think these quotes from McD are saying exactly that. The pitt game and this game were both games where it looked like Buffalo thought they were going to win just by showing up. He isn't going to throw anyone under the bus and say they weren't trying very hard directly but that is my takeaway from these quotes. It can be a learning experience and hopefully a focused offense shows up next week against the Jets that Josh has typically struggled against. Hopefully this is a painful lesson like Arizona last year where the team can be better for it. Hopefully.

They identified guys that would buy in to the idea of team first it just wasn't easy to see right away. I was sick to my stomach when they traded Darby and Watkins in 1 day. I was in a 3 hour work meeting. We took a short break and my phone had so many text messages. I couldn't believe we were mailing it in before the season even started in year 1 of a new coach. Then they played well and were actually in the playoff hunt. I hated benching Tyrod for Peterman (post history is there). It was easy to see that Peterman didn't have an NFL arm. Then they made the playoffs. Next year they actually rolled him out as the starter week 1 and I was again bummed bc I knew he couldn't lead us anywhere. Then the hurdle, the 75 yard bomb to Foster against Jax, and it all went away. From then on I knew Josh would work out. That was why all of a sudden it worked out imo, they solved the qb issue.

I agree very much with your post. The bolded though is what I was addressing with the fact that people are viewing this subjectively not objectively. What is a good success rate? If refs got 99% of calls right, that still leaves 1% of calls being made erroneously each week. A quick google says between 134 and 168 plays per game. So 2144 to 2688 calls per week on average. That means at a 99% success rate there would still be 21 to 26 blown calls per week. This could range anywhere from simple human error to something much more nefarious. I think the good teams are able to overcome a blown call easier than bad teams and that also spins a narrative. During the drought it felt like there were always well timed penalties against the Bills when playing the Pats and then a bunch of makeup calls after the game was in control for NE to make it look even. Was that true or a fan opinion? I watched the Buff/KC game with a Cowboys fan last week and he commented before I did about how it appeared they were trying to keep KC in the game with bad calls. The difference was that it didn't bother the Bills and they still cruised to victory. Instead you have KC fans complaining about the Clark call which by definition imo was made correctly. We didn't have to have a 50+ page thread about the terrible holding call the play preceding it. Again I think it sucks that it happens and especially when it happens to the Bills but it almost has to be expected when humans are involved. Please don't let this post be a jinx for tonight lol.

This is 100% correct. I had a change of heart regarding officiating when I started officiating. Kind of like everyone should work retail or food service to see how difficult that job can be at times and to respect the job. The NFL rule book is 241 pages long. That is a huge document. Even if you know 99% of it you potentially could blow a call and not realize it. There are 22 players and 7 officials on the field. That means each official has on average just under 3 players to watch per play. Add in sideline personnel, coaches, and the rest of the team. There are over 100 people. The speed of the game. In the stands you get a better appreciation imo than you do on tv for just how fast the game is. Most passing plays have the ball gone in under 3 seconds. Players can be spread out over 30 yards in that time and moving at an incredible rate of speed. It is very hard to see fine detail at that speed. Then there is the environment which can be so loud at times it is hard to think. Add it all up: You need to know every single rule down to the incredible minutia that the Belicheck's of the world require because they attempt to skirt the rules constantly (Ravens playoff game a couple years ago), you need to use your 2 eyes to keep track of more than 2 players, moving at a lightning pace, under conditions that are less than ideal to concentrate. Oh yeah there is the bonus of slo motion replay from multiple angles that you don't get the benefit of when you have to make the call. Added bonus people are emotionally invested in the outcome and therefore don't judge your ability, skill, and performance objectively they do it subjectively. tl;dr it is an incredibly difficult job to do and expecting perfection is to forget that it is performed by human beings. I don't disagree that it sucks when they get it wrong or blow a call but they are only human.

No argument here. Its was a warm up game for the refs as well lol.

As a neutral observer that game was not a fun watch. They showed 2 defensive pass break ups in short order both clearly pi. Then the targeting non call. Yeesh. That was a tough game to watch and I would be irate if I were a gophers fan. Osu is clearly the better team but that was not a well officiated game.

I posted these elsewhere but here are their stats. Reminder that Hollister has played 4 years to Knox's 2. Here is a knox/Hollister comparison Knox: 52 catches, 676 yards, 5 tds in 2 years Hollister: 74 catches, 652 yards (!), and 6 tds Hollister has played with Russ Wilson and Brady so he didn't have scrubs throwing it to him either... 2 extra years and he has a grand total of 22 more catches or less than 1 per game. He has 24 less yards on 22 extra catches. He has 1 more td in 2 extra years. The stats say Knox is better. Knox has been in the system for 2 years. It really isn't a surprise. I'll flip your Sweeney question, what has Hollister shown that Sweeney hasn't? Sweeney again has 2 years of familiarity with the team. Hollister has his own injury issues. I think you are spot on that he lost his job to Kumerow but he is just a guy. He isn't a huge difference maker. He also is still unsigned so if something happens he is available to be brought back in. I do love that the Bills are in a position where people are complaining about keeping a 3rd te instead of which qb we want to see starting. Like this one that helped us win the game?

I have a very strong belief that this was Ernie Adams entire role with the Patriots. He watched and re-watched film to find tells from players. I vaguely remember something about Fitz opening his hips when throwing left so the defense was trained to watch for that, and that being spoken about after the game. I think that is why he was so instrumental to the success of the Patriots. It also explains why they seemed to have a good idea what was coming on many plays (if you don't dive into headset eavesdropping/spygate as the explanation). I think they did know what was coming but it was part of the preparation process for the team. If you see a guy do this watch for that which is normal film study stuff. I feel like the Pats did that but on another level from most teams.

I'm conflicted bc I'm fully in the Hollister is just a guy camp but that TE depth is scary thin so I'm hopeful (and pretty sure as you state) he will be back. I'm guessing the 2 TEs is with idea Gilliam will serve as the emergency and 3rd TE. right on cue lol

Yeah I edited while you were responding. I didn't see the additional TE cuts. I think this was just done to move Sweeney to IR before Hollister is re-signed.

All this hand wringing about Jacob Hollister? He's an alright player but nothing earth shattering. The most catches he ever had in a game is 8. The most yards he has ever had in a game is 64. He has 6 tds in 4 years. I get the Josh connection and perhaps he does come back after some maneuvering, but this isn't a huge loss if that doesn't happen. Here is a knox/Hollister comparison Knox: 52 catches, 676 yards, 5 tds in 2 years Hollister: 74 catches, 652 yards (!), and 6 tds Hollister has played with Russ Wilson and Brady so he didn't have scrubs throwing it to him either... Edit: Seeing the current TE depth chart, I imagine Sweeney goes to IR after making the 53 and Hollister is re-signed as others have said.

I think Isaiah mckenzie gets cut just to be snuck on the ir list. I think kumerow gets traded for a 5 or 6 to gb. I think breida gets cut and stashed on ps Surprise I think they keep 7 des and i don't known if it counts but taiwan jones makes it again.

Brieda is my nominee for the most over rated player on the Bills right now. For some reason the board loves him and I just don't see it. I agree he fills the Yeldon role and will be cut at the end of camp before being placed on the ps. He is no threat to get poached and can be elevated if either of Moss/Motor get injured. He has 5 kr in his career all when he was a rookie. He averaged 16.6 yards per return. Only 1 return was longer than 20 yards and it went 28. It appears he can, just not great at it.

For sure. I made a lot of money playing madden on ps2. Pre-internet but I had a bit of a white men can't jump "scam" running for a couple of years. Lot of beer money was made that way lol. That said it is much more enjoyable playing with a good team. Remember the days of Vick being a cheat code? It's why Lamar is a 91. I'm sure his running stats bring his overall up a ton and why I'm not upset he is ranked higher than Allen. Allen has been getting robbed on his speed and running stats though!

It does mean something though as using the Bills is directly correlated in the game to how good the rankings are. This isn't a power poll or pff rankings. These ratings directly tie into your experience while using the product and the enjoyment you get out of it. It means nothing in the grand scheme of life but it does mean something when I fire up my play station and want to beat up on people online. Actually, who am I kidding, I don't have the time for madden console anymore it's madden mobile for me at this point lol.

Same as the Ralph does now. Concerts, other football (ncaa for example - maybe a bowl game), outdoor hockey. Not much though so again why I could see the Pegula's wanting it publicly funded and owned. Then it doesn't matter what happens outside of the NFL product.

I read that teams prefer to be tenants so they are not responsible for upkeep and depreciation. No idea if that is true but it does make some sense especially as you said it has limited use for the NFL.

AT&T Stadium https://www.hksinc.com/our-news/articles/ten-years-later-att-stadium-remains-golden-gift-that-keeps-on-giving/ It is indeed rare though

I know it is all negotiation but it is irritating none the less. I know they aren't moving and I do understand the business side of this. Pegula's have put a lot of money into the complex so I do feel very confident that they will remain in OP/Buffalo. I guess I'm just worn out. Toronto was held over our head for a long time. We had to hear how lucky we were to have a team, one that was poorly run and "cash to cap." We supported a less than good product for many years. Like I said in my last post, I don't know why this bothers me so much. It may be timing with Covid, or maybe just irritation of footing the bill for a billionaire, or disappointment that Pegs is using the relocation threat, or it's Monday and I'm ornery lol.

Terry Pegula is worth 5.4 billion dollars. That doesn't do it justice. He is worth $5,400,000,000. I know sports teams ask for public money but for some reason this really bothers me. Fans stood by this team with games being pimped to Toronto, during a 17 year playoff drought, and finally have a competitive team. I know relocation is always the trump card but I thought with 2 teams in LA that would disappear. Austin, Texas really? Billionaires looking for hand outs. The bought the Sabres for 189 million and they are now what 12 years no playoffs?  No matter that team is now worth $385 million.  They "overpaid" for the Bills at 1.4 million.  No worries though the team is now worth 2.05 billion. Dig another well like you said.

Weirdly I went to jordanpoyer.com the site he mentions at the end and it can be purchased from godaddy. Wonder what the real site is. lol

In live in CNY and in my experience it is the Giants, Bills, Cowboys, Steelers. I'm not quite sure about the order but I don't think the Jets are a favorite in the area. If I had to rank I would put Giants as the clear favorite but that is fading with how bad they have been lately.