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that's why I think it has to be for a 1st. You sell it as: (1) getting a great return; and (2) letting Shady go 'home'. If you get a 1st, I think everyone would understand that's a win. Anything else, clearly a "white-flag" on this season.

Graham was good when here. A good depth guy if he is a FA. But I've been impressed with the young guys we have brought in for the secondary.

(1) Allen does need to develop; but (2) the supporting cast sucks. Allegedly #1 WR KB looks disinterested. Zay Jones looks interested and is improving. Clay had a decent game. Allen will improve as the season goes along. I'd just tell Allen to trust the play call and put the ball where it is supposed to be. If the WR does not get there, that's on the WR. Eventually we will get a more competent supporting cast. It's also hard for a rookie to perform better when he hears footsteps because the OL is jelly. And I was a "don't-draft" Allen type prior to the season. But some of the takes on him so far have been ridiculous. National media at one point says we have the worst WR and O-line group, and then another outlet says that is not holding Allen back. Simply laughable.

exactly. the way some people act, Watkins and Woods are A.B. and JuJu.

You only do that if you get the right return. Eagles are desperate. Shady showed last game he still plays as well as any RB in the NFL, even with a rookie QB and teams looking to stop him. I want a 1st. Shady also seems to love it here, and love being a mentor to Allen. Great point. You give Shady to the Eagles for a second, you are really getting a high 3rd.

I think Edmunds and Allen are great examples of why you WANT to move up. We also got T. Johnson (CB) later in the draft and H. Phillips. Those 4 guys look like they may be around for a while. I think next year is different. As you said, there is value in all round, and next year there is good DL, OL (at least top-tire) and WR value.

quick throws is the only hope.

oh no, when I suggested a 2nd or 3rd round QB, people went NUTS. If JA improves, likely no need for that. If JA does not improve, get a 3rd rounder, and draft OL and WR with the first 2 picks.

this is what a young QB needs. Get some more help on the O-line and some WR help in 2019 draft and we could be seeing marked improvement. Ivory looked like his old-self yesterday. Reminded me of Beast-Mode on that final drive. Loved watching it. Can't put Shady in a box. If you do, Ivory will break it open!

You can do both. Big Ben was not asked to do a ton his first few years, and in his 3rd year had a NEGATIVE TD-INT ratio. The key for young QB's is to lean on the running game, find competent WR's (we can't do that right now), and let the game speed and decision making catch-up to the QB. Even Rosen didn't do/wasn't asked to do much yesterday because Arizona remembered they have D. Johnson. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoetBe00.htm

I do like that Josh recognized the WR's were covered and sailed it over KB.

kid is a gamer. Even his stupid-mistake INT came from wanting to win. He'll learn to throw it away when he needs to and risk it when he needs to. I like Croom also. Kid is big with hands and gets open. With an O-line and average WR's the offense is much improved

that was the problem. But I don't see Watkins helping this team. He'd be forced into the #1 role, and double teamed. And Benjamin can be single teamed as we've all found out. personally upset at the lack of home games early in the season. now I'll be freezing in November/December for my annual trek up. what the heck! Bears game looking a lot tougher after addition of Mack and that offense today, albeit against Tampa D.

I disagree. The guys they unloaded would not be major parts of this regime. They had large/bloated contracts or expiring contracts. Watkins: not a #1. Marcell: terrible here for whatever reason at his price. Glenn is the only one I would have kept, unless that got us the pick that got us Allen/Edmunds, which I think it did.

Phillips could be a player next year also. I'm excited about the offseason and seeing what progress our young guys make this year.

I don't disagree, he hopefully finds a vet that can play. Ideally Bridgewater. Or Matt Moore even. Or Landry Jones. But if Allen looks ?? at the end of the year, and a guy those in my list are available, you grab him. The "we can't grab a QB" thinking is how we pass on a guy like Russel Wilson for a WR!!

THIS. I hope Allen is the guy. If not, or if we don't know, I'm all for drafting a 2nd or 3rd rounder. I think there is some talent in that range next year.

you got it. Draft a QB in rounds 2-3 or 4 who can potentially be a starter. Not enamored by Peterman or any of the vets. (unless Saints somehow don't sign Bridgewater)

again, not an "Allen sucks" thread!!! I didn't put up names that will be available in the 1-2 round range. We should take DT/OL in those rounds. I want a young, good backup. Allen will get injured (all QB's do), and if he does not progress we have a backup. Really that simple. If you prefer a vet, throw out a Vet name. then what Vet? Unless you want Peterman as the backup. ! Yikes.

donno. apparently a lot who lack basic reading comprehension. we do? wishing we have one is not the same as having one. we also have no backup. I'd prefer a backup and Allen insurance.

I'm thinking we take an O-lineman in the 2nd, after taking a DL in the 1st. I think we get WR help in FA. This is not a "Allen sucks" thread. Apparently reading comprehension is lost on some..... Unless Peterman should be our backup, and we shouldn't get insurance against Allen not progressing. I look at it as a RG3/Cousins type of play, albeit over 2 drafts.

the Front Office had nothing to work with cap wise after the prior regimes terrible decisions. I expect us to be much better next year with a ton of cap space (WR, OL, secondary---we did a good job getting Hyde and Poyer!). Plus 10 picks. Edmunds will be a stud, Allen hopefully has more than 0.5 seconds to throw, and will have someone who can catch the ball on the receiving end. I think realistically we need to wait another 1-3 years to see how this FO is doing. Not great for the impatient. I've been here longer than the entire drout. But I have a feeling this FO will get it done.

yeah, time to shake up the O-line. I was listening to the Sirrius (Packers) broadcast. One play in the 1st half, the Packers rushed 2 inside LB's. Neither one was blocked. The packers announcer said, "that's an interesting blocking scheme. How do you totally miss a middle linebacker, let alone two." Time to put in Teller or someone else on the line. Sick of watching this garbage. As you said, Allen had no chance. Even our running game is terrible this year.

For those who say "we have bigger needs," or "let Allen have 2 years" I tend to agree. Therefore, who/what QB would you take in Rd. 2 or 3 that might be there. My guys in that area are: Trace McSorley from PSU. Accurate ball placement, athletic and a gamer. Almost a shorter, more accurate Josh Allen. Will Geyer, WVA. 80% completion percentage so far this year. Ryan Finley (NC State). and Clayton Thornson (Northwestern) Those of you who watch more college football than I (which isn't very hard), please feel free to chime in on your round 2-3 QB pick. Doesn't have to be a guy to "challenge" Allen, but a good backup/someone who could be a starter.

O-line. Even if you have the best WR's, they have zero time to get open. WR is a close second, because on the odd chance the O-line holds up, no one is open!