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You might want to rethink Jackson. Last year in 9 games of which he only started 5, he threw 9 TDs and 2 Ints with QB rating of 95.4. He's gotten better year after year and after studying under Saint Brett this year. I don't know, I think he might be alright.
If healthy, I'd love to see Chad in a Bills suit as the opening day starter in 2010. But, that's a big if. As far as Charlie Batch and Culpepper being backups, sometimes those long time backups when given a chance after studying football for years and years can work wonders. Remember Rich Gannon?
No way I have seen Tavaris Jackson bounce a pass off the ground to a wide open wide receiver 3 yards away with absolutely no pressure on him. My dad is a Vikings fan and saw Jackson almost every game and knew the guy was terrible. He only finished strong because the Vikes took the ball away from him and just asked him to manage games and put the ball in the hands of AP.
Jackson is a guy who needs a great supporting cast to succeed and Buffalo doesn't have the kind of cast the Vikes had. Culpepper and Batch are backups at this point and the odds of them having a late career Renaissance is slim. I think Culpepper has a chance to be a Rich Gannon type but he needs a good situation to do that. Pennington is the exact kind of QB that wins in less then stellar situations (Fins last year won a lot by playing tight and not turning the ball over).
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My friend you are still ignoring the fact that Penny is easy to defend .You for get that Vick played and singlehandly beat Bret Farve at home for Division championship in January.We can go on and on the fact is Penny is done. You did your argument a disservice when you said that Penny age is not prone to decline at that age ......his lack of arm-strength for Buffalo winter ,no Offensive line and inability to strech a high school defense leave your argument HOLLOW AT BEST. If you are a BILLS fan (I believe that you are) just give Vick all the support you can because you and I want the same thing which is a good BILLS football product............People he will be A BILL so get over it .....................there is nothing better out there not Broehm, Orton , Culpepper, I mean no one .....
VICK HASN'T STARTED IN 4 YEARS. Vick lacks accuracy even during his prime let alone being 4 years removed from the league. Vick beat Favre at home but that was 7 years ago what Vick is now is a guy who is slowly relearning his position at the age of 30. Pennington is not perfect he has concerns thats why he is going to be available BUT he is a professional QB not a project who is 30.
If we are going to sign Vick why not just start Brohm or draft a guy in round 1 or 2. By the time we rebuild Vick (Which is going to take a year probably 2) he will be 31-32 and his skillset is prone to quick decline. At least if we start a young pick or Brohm by the time he would be good (If ever) will be in their mid 20's.
Pennington can't stretch a D BUT he can play smart and keep you in games. And unlike Captain Check Down Pennington throws well 15-30 yards down the middle of the field and gets the ball into the hands of his playmakers who can make big plays (Lee Evans would be a lot better with Pennington).
ALSO Pennington has value as a teacher. IF we draft a guy in round one or two Pennington can teach the guy how to play in the NFL. A role Vick won't be good at (In fact the guy needs a teacher). You can rag on Pennington all you want but the guy is a professional who will stabilize this team and can give young QB's a great teacher. Pennington is accurate, doesn't turn the ball over, has won this division twice, played in the playoffs 5 times, took the Jets to within 2 missed field goals of the AFC title game, and has played in the cold weather outdoors all of his career (Even in college).
Vick isn't going to be in Buffalo. He is a hot weather QB (One game in Green Bay 7 years ago doesn't mean he can be consistently good in cold weather) who hasn't started for 4 years and even in his prime had accuracy issues. Pennington has injury issues and arm strength issues but out of all the free agent options available he is the best.
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Andy and Dwight are the funniest While Jim is the straight man to the two. Michael Scott is hilarious as well. My favorite of the bunch is Dwight (Although Andy is a very close second BUT Dwight is still tops).
Favorite female I would say Pam but none of the women are all that funny (Kelly has her moments and Angela does too) at least compared to the guys.
Best episode (Its hard to pick) but I would have to say the episode where Jim and Pam stay at Dwights bed and breakfast.
A better question to be asked is what show is better the American or British office. I think that the American office is funnier BUT that the British office (Keep in mind only 12 episodes plus and X-mas special) had better characters and much more development. I think that the British office was much better at being a serious commentary on office life and society. Its hard to say which one is better because I enjoy them differently.
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Actually he is not a FA. He signed a 2 year deal with the Eagles. Unless they cut him of course. Here's my list of FA QBs I'd take in order: Kyle Orton, Chad Pennington (if healthy), Tavaris Jackson, Jeff Garcia, Duante Culpepper, Charlie Batch. Except for Kyle, all stopgaps, but I'm OK with that.
Pass on Jackson, Garcia is going to be 40, Culpepper is a backup, so is Batch, and Orton won't hit the market. Pennington (if healthy) is our best option on the free agency market.
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Tiger is a celebrity and needs to keep up appearances. He had never before had the attitude of a bad boy athlete or a playboy and was always Mr Squeaky Clean. Which netted him several hundred million dollars and his own EA game
I have little doubt that Elin turned one blind eye while the other counted Tiger's money.
Derrick Jeter never got married or claimed to be mr.perfect but he got tons of endorsements. Or sham/open marriage either way he didn't have to put that women (and his kid) through that.
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Thats funny because the Jets Head Coach is still afraid of Vick. The five playoff appearances you are talking about is Vick correct .Who has a arm that can throw and win playoff games on the road(Green Bay) in this weather .Did you forget our Line ? I hope not . We know Bledsoe was better than Penny and our line couldnt protect Bledsoe and it will not protect Penny. Vick is younger than Penny(you did know that?) so when you say decline in age with three throwing arm injuries who are you referring to IT MUST BE PENNY AGAIN. people I know that some people will never accept Vick.But face facts there is not a QB in FA that present DEFENSES WITH A PERSON THEY HAVE TO GAME PLAN FOR ..................SORRY VICK WILL COME TO BUFFALO because he is the best FA QB available....
5 playoff appearances was Pennington Vick had 2 or 3. And you continue to ignore Vicks accuracy issues and the fact that he hasn't started FOR 4 years. Also Vick has Started only in Atlanta a dome and in a hot weather division. Pennington is 33 But his skill set is not as prone to decline at that age.
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My dad always told me if you can't give a women your loyalty then what can you give her. Now I am not perfect and I know every dude has the need for strange kitty. I know that the lives that these athletes is one that provides them high quality women throwing themselves at them.
BUT my problem is why get married and why have a family. Now if you want to have kids and a women to go home to but still want to fool around with other women do not drag your wife into this under the pretense that you are going to be loyal. Have an arrangement going into the relationship/marriage that you are going to fool around so that the women has a chance to get out before she puts her heart into it.
I know a lot of athletes cheat on their wives (Most usually have an open arrangement though) and I know my favorite athlete of all time Marty Brodeur was involved in an affair (Cheated on his wife with her sister BUT he did marry and have a kid with that girl) and it really tainted my view of him BUT I am able to separate what he does on the ice from who he is.
With Woods I hated the guy before all this happened (1- I don't think golf is a sport and I think that comparing him to real athletes is insulting to those who play real sports, 2- The guy insulted hockey) so I wish he looses all his endorsements and his image continues to get tarnished.
As for the question his wife is the hottest one of the bunch by far.
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Pennington positives cant get the Ball to a receiver on a 15 yrd out, he is tooooo easyyyyy to defend. Did you forget that our Line is terrible...Give me a Passer That Defenses are scared of. Vick went into GREENBAY AND WON A DIVISION championship.Fact is Penny arm is not worth a penny right now plus he had how many operations on a throwing shoulder that he already cant throw far with?.............really so you will take that ? You can have it on your team ...............Vick will be on the Bills so brace yourself because there is nothing better on the FA market . We will continue to build both Lines through the Draft we just dont have the talent now. So get ready I will get my Buffalo Bills Vick jersey next season I cant wait
Defenses aren't afraid of Vick throwing the Ball. Teams don't fear guys who are inaccurate and careless with the ball. The Vick won that game against Green Bay was what 7 years ago. Vick next year will be an athletic QB whose skills will be eroding thanks to his age (Past the 30 years old mark) and he has had a big two year absence in his career AND in his come back tour he hasn't played any serious snaps.
So rather then take a guy with 5 playoff appearances, a guy who has played in cold weather, won this division multiple times, and is an accurate passer you want a guy with accuracy issues, a guy who hasn't had meaningful playing time in over three seasons, a guy who hasn't had a whole lot of experience in cold weather, and a guy who best skill set (His legs) are only prone to decline due to his age.
Give me the savvy professional in Chad Pennington. Yes there are the injuries BUT he has been discounted more then once in his career and knows how to battle back from injuries. Yeah he struggles to get the ball out quick past the 25 yard mark BUT he does win when healthy and can put guys in positions to make plays.
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If RW doesn't get a "big name" guy with his $10 mil, or more/year, and he says he has to "settle" for another (cheaper) guy, will he use that left over money for a new GM/front office types, or new players?
I believe that its either going to be Shanny or a offensive coordinator type like Russ Grimm. I don't think that Ralph is going to go with a retread like Martz or Haslet. Its big name or try and strike with a coordinator.
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For 7 years Zimmer helped the cowboys have consistantly one of the best defenses in the NFL (2000-2007). Zimmer survived 4 head coaching changes during this time. Helped the Bengals have the 13th ranked D last year even without the talent. Now Bengals D is ranked fourth (after Packers game). Bengals Rank 2nd in rushing yds allowed a game. Bengals Rank 1st in Pts allowed per game 15.6.
Zimmer is fairly young at 53. He has a beat the hell out of you type of personality. Very fiery coach who obviously knows how to get the best out of his players. He could easily be ours for 3 MIL a year, so he is realistic. Because no one believes royal ralphy is gonna spend 10 Mil a year.
I remember being impressed with his "get the f##K out of my way" personality he has. The bengals were the featured team on HBO Hard Knocks.
I just hope the Bengals keep winning or we get a solid GM. Because with the four-horseman running the show they would never be able to see that Zimmer has the talent and personality to Get Buffalo out of the Basement Once and For All.
Go ahead you Jauron Desciples let me have it!
One issue I have is that he isn't really an offensive guy. We have haven't had a good offense for a long time and the fact that we have only had one offensive coach for the last 13 years is part of the issue. I would like to go for an offensive guy like Russ Grimm BUT if they hired this guy I wouldn't call it a terrible hire philosophically.
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While I agree that a difference making DT is a need, I would not put it at the top of the list like you. We have A beast in Stroud and a competent player in Williams. We are terribly thin at LB. Poz is average at best. Mitchell, when healthy is also average to slightly above. Beyond that we have nobody. WE DESPERATELY NEED A STARTER OR 2 (MAYBE 3) AT LB. Besides a franchise QB, I would say at LB is our #1 priority for the draft. I think OT will be addressed in free agency.
I think that if you can get Derrick Johnson at OLB and resign Draft and get another vet OLB to add depth we will be OK at Linebacker. I think that linebackers are a product of the D-lines they play in front of to a certain extent. While I like Stroud and Williams they get worn down late in games and in the NFL you need 4 quality interior D-lineman in a 4-3 to have an effective rotation.
Sign Jason Ferguson or Vonnie Holiday (Preferably Ferguson) and add a DT in round 2 and then you have a pretty good 4 man rotation at DT. As far as OT in free agency most LT's (Good ones anyway) don't reach free agency and as far as RT go the ones available won't be that much better then Butler (Who comes at a cheaper price).
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Taking the best player availale is drafting 101. Drafting for need is dumb and will cause losing and getting the GM fired. Mike Holmgren was GM of Seattle and in his 3 #1 picks, he picked some guy I never heard of and Koren Robinson and Jeremy Stevens to fill need. See where that got him. Got him fired as GM and rightfully so.
I also agree that if we take a QB at #1 and put him the starting lineup odds are like 80-20 he's gonna suck and we're gonna suck. I say we hit the FA market heavy on need like both lines and QB. Maybe an LB too if we can get a good one.
Need plays a factor in drafting a secondary factor but a factor you don't want to take the best guy available if you are already stacked at that position for example you don't want to draft too many DB's even if the best guys are DB's. The way I look at drafting is you assign yourself 3-5 needs you can fill in the 1st round and pick the best player available from those positions.
The way I look at it is Buffalo has 3 major needs going into the 1st round QB, LT, and DT. Then going into the second round they have other needs like OLB, DT, Guard or RT (If they don't think Wood will be back or Butler is effective) and WR. To me you isolate your big needs round one and you take the best guy that fills one of your needs.
Hit free agency for front 7 depth (Vonnie Holiday, Jason Ferguson, Derrick Johnson, and a vet OLB along with resigning draft) and grab Chad Pennington as the temporary QB. Hit up the draft for a LT and a DT in rounds one and 2. Grab a guard in round 3 as insurance for Wood and depth as well.
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It always amazes me when you have a business model that is wildly successfully and has the market completely unto themselves yet always wants to find a way to stray away from the formula that brought them all of their prosperity.
I'm not saying this happens all at once, but it is a culmination of all the little changes that eventually erode all of the hard work that made them into a success in the first place.
The NFL has been the most stable and entertaining sport for a long time but somehow the greed of a few could really change the product that brought them into the dominating position that they are in today.
I for one would avoid the NFL like the plague if it turns into a football version of MLB.
Well said I think that the NFL in recent years had started to price the average fan and the average team (Buffalo and smaller and mid market teams). I have a first hand view of what the NFL is becoming, just 5-10 minutes in away from my house is the building site of the new meadowlands stadium the epitome of what the NFL is trying to become and its sad and sickening.
It use to be that the NFL built its self to surpass baseball as Americas top sport by putting the strength of the league ahead of the strength of the top franchises. The top grossing teams were willing to take the hit to share revenue knowing that if the league were competitive it would put out a product that was better and eventually a rising tide would raise all boats.
Now it seems like the top teams have said !@#$ it fend for yourselves we have given you enough. BUT what the top teams have failed to realize is that why fix what is broken? Yeah sure the quick payout of not having to share revenue is going to boost your bottom line but once you get past the near future you are going to hurt the overall product and make your league worth less and that includes your team.
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Thats why we will go with M. Vick, not a noddle arm with what you call"Limitations" .
Yeah its not like Vick has no limitations even when healthy Vick was never an accurate passer. Now you give a athletic QB with accuracy issues who is 3 years older and had 2 years of no football what so ever and his one year back he hasn't played all that much. Give me a accurate passer who has won this division played in 7 playoff games with a pair of victories and a guy who is going to be a great leader and mentor. Yes he has injury issues and yes he has arm strength issues BUT the guy's positives far out weigh the negatives.
I know a lot of you see it this way Chad Pennington = Trent Edwards BUT the key difference is that Pennington is able to work the 15-25 yard range very well and while he isn't a play maker he does do a good job of putting his play makers in a position to make plays (Which is something a QB in Buffalo hasn't been able to do in a long time).
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So you are 100% sure that if we take a QB with our #1 pick, our O Line will be a mess? What about all of our other picks and free agency? What about the development of the other linemen already on the roster? Are you saying that by selecting an O lineman in Rd1, all our line problems are solved? People need to remember that anybody drafted in the 2010 draft is very unlikely to offer much help in 2010 regardless of what position is drafted. Take the best available player at your given draft slot and address immediate needs via trades and Free agency. I wish everyone one this board would stop putting so much emphasis on the draft with the "We have to get this guy, he will immediate be a dominant force that make us a Superbowl winner for decades" or "If we take take guy (or position) we are doomed". The draft is a crapshoot at best With the current Bills Front office we may as well pick a person from this message board at random and let them make the picks, they would do just as well.
Well LT's don't come in round 2 so our biggest need along the O-line (Hangartner, Levitre, and Butler are solid and if Wood comes back he is going to be a solid player) is going to require our 1st round pick to address. So even if we go RT or Guard round 2 LT (The most important position on the O-line) is going to be a mess. So if we go QB round 1 we will still have serious issues with our O-line (Maybe a mess is a little hyperbolic).
To me grabbing a LT round one and putting Pennington behind an O-line that has a good top pick LT and both Wood (Hopefully) and Butler coming back from injury makes the better sense (Philosophically if there isn't a top LT available you go with another position) when building a team for Buffalo getting the lines in order is a better philosophical move then putting a QB behind a compromised offensive line (In either scenario Pennington makes sense)
Drafting a LT round one doesn't solve all of our issues HOWEVER it solves our biggest issue at the most important position. To me if we take care of the LT position then we have the left side of the line in place and with the possibility of Butler and Wood taking care of the right side as well. I understand that its not a quick fix BUT its a much better situation.
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If we can take this guy in the early second round take him. HE is the kind of guy we need a big body who can just eat up space with Stroud, Cody, and Williams plus another vet like Vonnie Holiday at DT our run D would be at lot better and much more legit up front.
I hope this guy does poorly in work outs and his stock falls to the second round. BUT I doubt that this guy falls past the mid first round (Too many teams trying for a 3-4 looking for a anchor) I think that this guy has Ted Washington written all over him. I can only hope he gets over scouted (Much like Oher did last draft) and NFL teams feel that he can't play more then 2 downs (I will take this guy as a 2 down player).
Another scenario is that Cody drops to the lower 1st round and the Bills trade up to get him (Much more likely that he could fall to pick 26ish and the Bills trade up.
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When has he been healthy recently?
Played all 16 games plus a playoff game in 2008 with the Dolphins. He also knows how to come back form an injury.
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Yeah he is impossible to trash for those reasons. But he also needs certain pieces around him (which we don't have) to succeed and doesn't make plays on his own. Basically the complete opposite of a good fit for our particular team in a windy stadium to boot.
My idea is just to get a professional QB in here and settle this team down. Draft to bolster the lines (Which plays to Pennington or any QB's strengths) and Brohm can sit on the bench and maybe the new staff can see if they want him. If we can draft a top tier LT then next year we can draft a top QB (Who will be in a much better situation thanks to the better O-line).
I think getting stronger in the trenches and having a veteran QB works in Buffalo and has worked often in the NFL (The Fins did it 2 years ago).
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JP Losman played a full season as the 11th rated passer. I wouldn't be so quick to declare Denver the victor in that trade.
Pennington is done. What is this like 18 shoulder injuries? Seems like a smart guy who could be a good coach though.
Campbell to me is sort of interesting, although he has more Trent-like characteristics than I would like.
Pennington has been written off many times before I think he has a year or two left in the tank. Guy is professional and knows how to come back from an injury.
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Pro-Wrestlers have all sorts of problems with drugs and their lifestyles. Steroids/HGH are only part of the issue, Alcohol abuse, prescription pain killer abuse, undiagnosed concussions (What really !@#$ed up Chris Benoit), and recreational drug use are all huge issues that do pro-wrestlers in at such early ages.
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If the priority in the draft is to grab a QB, then the team better carry six of them on the roster next year. That should be enough to get us through the season with this O-line.
My idea was to get Butler and Wood to come back from injury and draft a stud LT to join Hangartner and Levitre. Then draft a DT round 2. Then sign Pennington have Fitz be the backup and Brohm Pennington's student for the season. Also grab Derrick Johnson to bolster the front seven in free agency.
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You dont want Vick but you want noodle arm Pennington....................really.......... I'll pass , instead I'll take M.Vick and D.Johnson . I want people that defenses have to game Plan we have a pennington already his name is Edwards........he can play on your team as long as its not the Bills.
Noodle arm Pennington when healthy is a winning QB (took the Fins to the Division title just last season) and knows this division well. Not going to deny he has limitations BUT as a one or two year stop gap situation he is perfect for Buffalo use the top 2 picks to get these lines in order while Pennington gets a run with this team. Unlike Edwards Pennington has won in the NFL on two teams and in multiple seasons with the Jets
Keep in mind if we go QB round 1 then our O-line is going to be a mess and Pennington can be the guy to take the hits and let the rookie learn. When was the last time the Bills had a QB that had 2 division titles and 4 playoff appearances and two playoff victories (Also took the Jets to within a missed field goal of a AFC title game)? Also unlike Bledsoe we didn't have to give up a draft choice to get him and the guy has a chip on his shoulder.
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Since it's obvious that we are looking for a franchise QB, are there any in the league now that are on bad teams but could be a better fit in Buffalo? Chicago took a shot at Cutler, but look how that turned out. Denver sure got their money's worth with Orton under center. We need a young QB that could lead this team for years. Or should we turn to the draft for our next go at our QB of the future?
Chad Pennington who will be a free agent is a more then competent QB when healthy (14-16th in the league) now the reason for his availability is his health BUT he is due for a healthy season and is worth a shot. He also seems like a great mentor type so even if we take a QB round one he can start and have the guy learn the system and learn from Chad. Other then Pennington I don't a available QB for this team that makes sense.
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Ok with DJ, not with Pennington. Imagine his loose, soft balls fluttering in the Buffalo wind.
Guy has played well in the meadowlands and has played in Buffalo a lot so its not a unfamiliar situation. To me its nothing more then a stop gap but get a professional QB in here enough with the young guys who do nothing but waste our time. He is a winner and is due for a healthy season next year and knows this division. Have Fitz as the backup and Brohm as Pennington's student.
Brian Brohm
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Start Brohm week 17. Get him ready over the next few weeks to get the last start of the season. The guy has only been on the team for what 2-3 weeks way too soon to put the guy in action. Let him get some confidence with the roster by practicing with them for a few more weeks. Let him learn the terminology and the system over the next few weeks and put him in a much better situation to do the best he can.
IF we throw him in now he is going to get shellshocked and the guys confidence can't be all that good as a pro. We have to handle Brohm with kid gloves right now. BUT it would be good for us to start him in the last week of the season just to get his feet wet in the best situation possible.