EasternOHBillsFan

Don't waste your time... I finally decided to quit this hard line conservative love-fest and found a great forum to debate in WITHOUT all of these incessant insults, a balanced forum. Only on the Bills forum for me now...

All I asked for was a number by number discussion since he made it clear that China had a good deal going, whether or not he was joking is beside the point. My point is that if capitalism unchecked is the ultimate goal of corporations and draws support, where will the abuses end? I NEVER said all or nothing, otherwise I would not have taken the time to break it down line by line as to how China attracts business. They do it in Africa, where African leaders will take the money over the welfare of its people. We're not Africa, and so China is trying to dominate the slave labor market- shocker. We're complicit in this venture, and so I'm just pointing out what happens when we allow it to happen, no matter the corporation, it is an affront to the senses. I'm not begging for insults, for to debate a topic, sticking to the subject matter, is somthing I just don't see and don't expect to last very long. We'll see.

Hopefully they will use the money from Stevie Johnson's departure and give him a long term contract. We need quality players kept on our team to build around.... and so far, they have not done the right thing and given Fred a long term deal.

A lot of us care about this because it goes to the very heart of fair play and the NFL's reputation, for which the Bills have a vested interest!!! If you don't want to read about it, you don't have to CLICK the LINK.

Now that we have established it is more than just Apple, what about the points I mentioned? Just because it is rampant industry-wide does not make it right.

So, what is your position on each of those 7? If we want to be like China, which ones do we implement?

So are you agreeing with these actions? 1. Get rid of the minimum wage 2. Make no provision for overtime pay 3. Make no provision for workers compensation 4. Make no provision for environmental regulation of any kind 5. Make no provision for a maximum hours per day worked 6. Repeal all child labor laws 7. Make no provision for breaks

Well then, by your logic, we should make all of our products in China and have a high rate of unemployment here, for it is the best way to make money.

America has grown soft and does not appreciate what working conditions were like before there were labor laws, how horrible it was for people to just live. Many people speak of deregulation as if it would solve our problems, but as the records of corporations have proven, the more you deregulate the more they will take advantage at the expense of working people.

Profits off of the laborers in this fashion IS as it was in Theodore Roosevelt's day. Capitalism should never be about pure profit... you don't cut your head off to cure chronic migraines. Interesting to see if this debate produces any personal insults... maybe just maybe there can be SOME civilized discussion for once...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/06/world/asia/china-apple-foxconn-worker/index.html?hpt=hp_c1 Although it is not as bad as many manufacturing sites, it is still very reminiscent of a Charlie Chaplin movie, Modern Times: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYbsBcPDVQM As this is the Charles Dickens anniversary, this story only proves that in many parts of the world, times have not changed at all. Yet we are supposed to accept this as normal capitalism at work for the good of the United States. This is far from normal, it is abhorrent to the senses and it is too bad we do not have a Theodore Roosevelt to do something about it.

I do... Johnny Cash, Kenny Rogers, Hank Williams... but that was awful. I'm just old school I guess...

Worst America rendition at a sporting event... ever. Thanks for always trying to countrify everything... ugh.

You only posted ONCE, and I wasn't debating you. You're the one ruining this thread with your personal attacks/name calling, not I...

Is that all you can do is insult people? You're a shining example of perfection, huh? Can't debate anything without the personal attacks? Thanks for nothing.

I hear you there; the NFL can't force manufacturers to stop, but the public sure could... however, I don't see the SUCCESSFUL boycotting of clothing sales to prove a point.

Wrong... aside from one championship game in Miami, he didn't do anything worthy of the Hall before or after, numbers aside. That's fact, not opinion. Success in one game isn't a Hall of Fame worthy career in ANY sense of the word.

The real criminals are those who choose to manufacture their goods for slave wages, be it counterfeiters or legit manufacturers... there is no difference other than profit margin.

He DID beat the NFC (THEN still the NFL, pre-merger)... Super Bowl IV against the Vikings, great game plan. Kobe Bryant's a big fan of LeBron James, so what? That doesn't prove anything...

I would have rooted for Len Dawson, but not Joe Namath. Len Dawson did it with class, and Namath did not... there are MANY AFL coaches and players that were great to me, but to canonize him for one game is insane. I don't care if Super Bowl III made the NFL, I still will not feel Namath is worthy of the Hall of Fame. The argument that a player is better is made all the time by people who didn't watch athletes play (Bill James of SABR, for instance, what of him? Pretty sure he never saw Honus Wagner play), and so I discount that totally.

Spot on. If there was any true justice, the NFL manufacturers would be the very first to be held to account. +1.

Who calls their own plays and throws more interceptions that touchdowns? He NEVER had one season where he threw more than +2 TD/INT. NEVER. Is that the kind of QB you want on your team, and calling his own plays at that? Come ON, be serious. I mean look at his stats by season!!! It is really pathetic... there is no way the Jets won because of his play, that's for sure. 51.2% completion and the Jets went 10-4!!!!!!! http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NamaJo00.htm My other analysis of Super Bowl III of course is ignored.

The Washington Redskins in Super Bowl VII. EASY.

Mike Leach? Hell yeah... Maryland's loss; our gain

If he called his own plays, then you would think the Jets would have been better and his numbers would have been better, and so all the more evidence that he wasn't a HOF quarterback. Let's look at the statistics: 16-7 Final Score. N.Y. Jets: 1 TD, 3 FGs. Baltimore Colts: 1 TD with Johnny Unitas at QB, in the 4th quarter. Earl Morrall intercepted 3 times in the first half. Joe Namath: "Earl Morrall would be third-string quarterback on the Jets," he said. "there are maybe five or six better quarterbacks than Morrall in the AFL." Even HE knew that it was the key to the game, because if Unitas had been out there the game, it would have been tough for him to keep up with the scoring of the Colts against their defense. Earl Morrall gave the Jets the game, dooming the Colts defense. This is a script written many times- a team who should win does not because of a liability, and the Colts' liability was Earl Morrall. Joe Namath didn't win that game, the Colts lost it.